Talk:Siege of Azov (1637–1642)

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Hi! @StephanSnow

I would like to thank you for this article, an important topic that has long needed to be consecrated. But in the result window there is (so far) no confirmed information about the victory of the Cossacks. The most reputable WP:RS, such as Davies Rather, represent it as a victory for the Ottomans: Ottoman forces reoccupied Azov in September 1642 and reinforced its garrison. (although there is no exact statement, it is clear that the main task of the Ottomans was to return the city) in this case, we can either change the total to Ottoman victory or remove it. Dushnilkin (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put it as "Cossack defensive victory" due Cossacks repelling the main Ottoman assault in 1641 and Sultan's dissatisfaction about this. Ottomans reoccupied Azov, but they didn't defeat Cossacks in battle. It should alternatively just be "(See § Aftermath)" StephanSnow (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the victory of the Cossacks in 1641 is obvious, but it is not necessary to state the result of the entire siege because of this, it is WP:OR. The option to completely delete the window is to replace the indication slink so for now, I suggest we remove it, maybe there will still be WP:RS about the victories of one of the parties. Dushnilkin (talk) 15:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Turkish Wikipedia says that the Ottomans won. Some articles say this is inconclusive. So to avoid confusion, the result section should be deleted. It is also stated that Deli Hussein Pasha died in 1659. Vbbanaz05 (talk) 18:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we should not appeal to other Wikipedia, the Turkish one is very problematic with sources and losses. Regarding Hussein Pasha, you can mark it with a question mark. Dushnilkin (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is already an article about Gazi Hüseyin Pasha And I researched Turkish sources, he did indeed participate in the siege of Azov, but he was not killed in the siege. The article of Hussein Pasha, there is no information about Azov, but I will add it. Vbbanaz05 (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]