Talk:Asim Munir

Content dispute

@VirtualVagabond and SheriffIsInTown: I've noticed an edit war happening on this BLP. Could we please discuss the matter here? Those attempting to censor the information should stop. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib I have provided a reference that clearly contradicts the content being added here. Shaukat Siddiqui himself confirms that he was removed before Asim Munir's appointment as ISI head. In his 2018 speech, which led to his removal, he specifically accused Faiz Hameed by name. Additionally, Shuja Nawaz mentions that he was referring to the general perception. Should Wikipedia now publish "general perceptions" rather than facts to target an individual? Those attempting to turn this page into an attack page should cease. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

SheriffIsInTown, This information, even if untrue, is published in a RS, so I advise against removing it. And this wording was added by you, so please refrain from labeling it as an attack. Further, I included this to maintain NPOV. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, there’s an edit war? Sheriff told me that I needed to add the quote and page number which I did. But he then still ultimately removed it. I haven’t taken any further action so I’m not sure how it constitutes as an edit war, as I did not intend for one. VirtualVagabond (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@VirtualVagabond Saqib usually over-exaggerate the matters in order to build a case for a future report. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

SheriffIsInTown, Such a nasty comment! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib Both editors involved are denying any edit war. VV accepted my reasoning for removing the content, which is why they didn't revert or start a discussion. With our level of editing experience, we can recognize when an edit war is happening and when to initiate a discussion. Given that both editors are denying an edit war, why are you intervening and portraying it as one? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

SheriffIsInTown, I perceived it as an edit war, but if that wasn't the case, you could have just denied it instead of accusing me of over-exaggerate the matters. I have redacted my comment. Is everything okay now? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib You perceived it as an edit war, while I viewed it as an over-exaggeration. What is the nastiness in this? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:36, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib The message was filled with bad faith; you accused me of censorship as well. Is that really how we initiate a discussion to resolve issues? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Social media

@SheriffIsInTown: You removed a lot of sourced content from this subsection but I would like to object to this particular edit. As I noted in my edit summary, this content pertains to this BLP, even if it doesn’t include Asim Munir's direct statements but these are remarks from RS about his views and imv. it’s necessary to mention them. Also, IMO, yes it’s necessary to mention Munir's statements about social media each time he mentions them because, unlike the previous COAS, he is clearly obsessed with social media - which is quite unprecedented. If you wish to revert, please discuss it here and reach a consensus.--— Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2024

In the paragraph "Handling of political crisis": Add: "After the May 9 riots, which followed the arrest of former Prime Minister Imran Khan, accusations emerged that CCTV footage of the incidents had disappeared. Imran Khan and some journalists accused the government and the intelligence agencies, headed by Munir, of orchestrating false attacks on military installations to incriminate the PTI and justify a harsh crackdown on its supporters." Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1754309 https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-khan-interview-military/32483777.html

In the paragraph "Handling of economic crisis": Add: "However, despite the rupee's recovery, Pakistan still continues to face high inflation, which reached around 31.4% in mid-2023, severely impacting the cost of living​." Source: https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/cfd9113f24c548efdc86dba482a5e2cf-0310062023/original/Pakistan-Development-Update-October-2023.pdf

In the paragraph "Freedom of expression": Add: "Under Munir's leadership, several media outlets, TV channels and radio stations were censored and ordered to stop mentioning Imran Khan. What's more, the crackdown extended abroad, with Pakistani Americans threatened with consequences if they didn't retract tweets critical of Munir or the army." Source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/x-social-media-platform-threat-to-national-security-pakistan-justifies-ban/3269351 https://www.businesstoday.in/world/story/pakistan-announces-6-day-ban-on-all-social-media-to-control-hate-material-during-ramadan-435894-2024-07-05 https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/pakistan-tehreek-i-insafs-social-media-head-arrested-for-campaign-against-army-chief-2350751-2023-03-24 https://efile.fara.gov/docs/7361-Informational-Materials-20240321-1.pdf Dragonar92 (talk) 10:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Awards and Decorations

Removed Sword of honour from the box of awards and decorations and added below the box as the box represents the medals he has. Sword of Honour is not a medal, it is a sword which is awarded to the best cadet of a course in Pakiatan Military Academy. CaptShayan (talk) 06:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)