Talk:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses

Request to include OSU Undergraduate Student Government scandal in Controversies/Administrative Response section

I request we add this to the 'Controversies/Administrative Response' section of this article:

On March 25, 2024, Ohio State University's Undergraduate Student Government (USG) proposed an initiative urging OSU to divest from companies profiting from human rights violations. The initiative received 1247 signatures, surpassing the required 1000. However, USG's Judicial Panel nullified it, citing invalid signatures allegedly due to petition dissemination on Instagram. OSU Students for Justice in Palestine claimed unfair targeting, alleging other candidates used similar methods without penalty. Leaked emails revealed pressure from Hillel International to veto the initiative, prompting accusations of "abuse of power" and leading to resignations of three USG justices.

 Note: This section and edit request was created by Onlineone22 via multiple different edits. Originating edit was [1]. —Sirdog (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Request has remained unactioned for quite some time and requestor is a sockpuppet. Closing out for queue management purposes. —Sirdog (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Request to include congressional hearing

Please change “The escalation began after mass arrests at the Columbia University campus occupation, led by anti-Zionist groups, in which protesters demanded the university's disinvestment from Israel over its alleged genocide of Palestinians.” to “The escalation began after a congressional hearing on antisemitism alleged that there was support of “Palestinian Armed Resistance” (Hamas) and harassment against Jewish students at Columbia University and other colleges in response to the Israel-Hamas war. The protest resulted in mass arrests at the Columbia University campus occupation, led by pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist groups, in which protesters demanded the university's disinvestment from Israel over its alleged genocide of Palestinians.” as that is more in line with the source (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-some-people-groups-involved-us-college-protests-2024-04-28/). 71.179.129.209 (talk) 01:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

You still haven't addressed the issue that the article talks more about CUAD instead of the protest. Also, many protest wikipedia pages usually start with what the protest is about, not an immediate jump into the controversy.

see George_Floyd_protests, they talk about some of the controversy by the third paragraph.

see also Occupy_Wall_Street

I think the only one that jumps directly into the controversy is the Unite the Right, though that protest always billed itself about the antisemitism and most/all sourcing seems to agree it was racist. many sourcing about this protest disagree about antisemitism. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

That source was chosen by whoever originally wrote this Wiki article. A better source could be https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columbia-protests-antisemitism.html

The protest itself is inherently controversial and I think the article should clearly state what the controversy is. The Wiki article starts by the arrests at Columbia without saying what they were protesting, i.e. the congressional hearing on antisemitism (which they felt misrepresented their views or overemphasized antisemitic and pro-Hamas incidents) and Israel’s campaign in Gaza in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack. Without the reader having knowledge of the protests, this article is not informative or self contained. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 04:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Columbia’s president just resigned and it explicitly says it here: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/us/columbia-president-nemat-shafik-resigns.html

“Columbia’s board had seen her international experience as a source of strength. But the way she approached the protests from their start last fall generated fierce criticism across the campus, and tensions only escalated following her testimony to Congress in April.

When a group of pro-Palestinian students set up an encampment on a college lawn, Dr. Shafik quickly called in the police, leading to more than 100 arrests the next day. Students were outraged, and the episode helped spark a wave of similar encampments at colleges nationwide.”

I believe my proposed edit to include the congressional hearing should be made. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 01:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Edan On ... LA County declines to charge man recorded attacking pro-Palestine protesters at UCLA

Edit ...

LA County declines to charge man recorded attacking pro-Palestine protesters at UCLA, refers case to city attorney’s office

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/us/edan-on-ucla-palestine-encampment-attack/index.html 76.156.161.247 (talk) 03:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

already in 2024_University_of_California,_Los_Angeles_pro-Palestinian_campus_occupation#Legal_proceedings Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

More in the Response Section

I am still waiting for my edit requesting the congressional hearing be added, and I think this incident https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/columbia-university-official-nyc-home-vandalized-with-red-paint-nazi-and-hamas-symbols/ should also be added to the response section. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 04:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposal To Include Congressional Hearing

Proposed Change:

Hello Everyone. I would like to propose the change of “The escalation began after mass arrests at the Columbia University campus occupation, led by anti-Zionist groups, in which protesters demanded the university's disinvestment from Israel over its alleged genocide of Palestinians.” to “The escalation began after a congressional hearing on antisemitism alleged that there was support of “Palestinian Armed Resistance” (Hamas) and harassment against Jewish students at Columbia University and other colleges in response to the Israel-Hamas war. The protest resulted in mass arrests at the Columbia University campus occupation, led by pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist groups, in which protesters demanded the university's disinvestment from Israel over its alleged genocide of Palestinians.”

Rational:

This better matches the current source (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-some-people-groups-involved-us-college-protests-2024-04-28/), and matches what I believe is a more appropriate sources (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columbia-protests-antisemitism.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/us/columbia-president-nemat-shafik-resigns.html). Additionally, the Wiki article starts by the arrests at Columbia without saying what they were protesting, i.e. the congressional hearing on antisemitism (which perhaps they felt misrepresented their views or overemphasized antisemitic and pro-Hamas incidents) and Israel’s campaign in Gaza in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack. Without the reader already having additional knowledge of the protests, this article is not self contained and does not provide appropriate links to other pertinent articles.

Feedback:

I am open to feedback of how else to include this information, so please let me know if you would like to suggest different phrasing. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 20:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Policy changes by institution

This article lists a number of universities and colleges and their new policies banning or restricting encampments and other protests. [2]https://forward.com/news/648549/universities-ban-encampments-add-antisemitism-training-as-students-return-to-campus/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

‘It feels like a fortress.’ California students return to college amid tighter security over protests

This article describes the crackdown in California to reduce protests. [3]https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-08-28/college-campuses-open-amid-tighter-security-and-rules-after-spring-protests Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Crackdown at Harvard (Boston Globe)

Do other universities have similar crackdowns? Are the crackdowns coordinated with other schools?

"...“prohibited” acts on university property, including projecting messages onto campus buildings, camping or sleeping outside, erecting temporary structures, and amplifying noise without approval. Students are also not allowed to chalk on Harvard property “without prior written approval,” according to “Campus Use Rules” shared with the community on Aug. 1."[4]https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/08/30/metro/student-protests-college-campuses-antisemitism-pro-palestinian-advocacy/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Columbia University Crackdown

An extensive list of the crackdown measures at Columbia University, including changes in due process rules. Are other schools doing the same? [5]https://theintercept.com/2024/08/29/columbia-campus-protests-gaza-subpoena/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 22:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

University of Florida Crackdown

Students did not receive jail time but were suspended for up to three years and banned from campus. Comments by Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). [6]https://www.wuft.org/public-safety/2024-09-03/two-student-protesters-arrested-at-uf-accept-plea-deals-in-criminal-cases Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Should the page be updated to use the past tense?

Should the majority of the page be updated to use the past tense seeing as the lead now states "The protests largely ended as universities closed for the summer" and no new large-scale protests have occurred since then? BootsED (talk) 04:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Most universities haven't been reopened for much more than a week. There are protests still happening and being added. It's still 2024. What's your rush? Kire1975 (talk) 12:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Chronicle of Higher Education looked at dozens of schools regarding protest policies that have changed

CHE has reviewed nearly four dozen schools to look at protest policies that have changed. [7]https://www.chronicle.com/article/we-looked-at-dozens-of-colleges-new-protest-policies-heres-what-we-found Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 21:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Expansion of the War to Lebanon and Campus Crackdowns

As Gaza is destroyed, it's not the prime target anymore for the Netanyahu government. How do we document this expansion of the war to Lebanon and the limited number of campus protests? Are there any articles that acknowledge the effectiveness of the crackdowns so far? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I've been working on adding material about crackdowns and policy changes in the Administrative Response section. I appreciate the links you've shared on the talk page and will try to incorporate them. I'm not sure if the way the page is currently structured is the best way to summarize these events as we get more of a historical view on them, but I'm also not sure how we'd go about restructuring the article. I don't think the expansion of the war to Lebanon needs much mention here, unless it results in a significant change in the nature or volume of the protests. Unbandito (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

"Court sides with student protesters after University of Maryland canceled Oct. 7 vigil for Gaza"

Not sure what this case actually means for the pro-Palestinian groups. [8]https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4909968-student-protesters-after-maryland-campus-oct-7-vigil-gaza-israel-hamas/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Radicalization over the course of the year

NYT reports that the campus protest movement is moving towards a more revolutionary, pro-Hamas stance...just posting here as background that may be helpful for this article. Prezbo (talk) 05:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)