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With U.S. protests alone, this article is nearly back above 9,000 words. Per WP:ARTICLESIZE, suggestion for further splits based on section sizes: California, Massachusetts, New York, and Texas. To clarify, I'm not proposing splitting this time, but instead suggesting it should happen boldly as necessary, and to avoid putting too long templates in sections. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we can remove the subsubheaders for the most important protests i.e. Columbia, UCLA, since they have their own articles? We should still emphasize them somehow though. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there are quite a few campus occupation articles, as seen from the list here. While it's great to see, it hasn't reduced the article size, as usually it's a paragraph from here that's expanded on to create a full article with background, timeline and responses etc. Personally I don't think we should be reducing child articles to single sentences, they should be full paragraphs or more per WP:SUMMARY.
To me this is more or less unrelated to article size. If contributors are willing to create these articles, to include more detail, then that's clearly beneficial and should continue to be encouraged. But ultimately it won't/hasn't helped to keep the article below 9,000 words.
Hence as an example, if List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in California in 2024 were created, there could (legitimately) be a much more refined summary of that child article here, and the California-based campus occupation "grandchildren" articles could become single sentences (as would become child articles of Cali protests by default). If that makes any sense?
I also think this could potentially become a non-issue if protests are dying down in the U.S. and the article stays under 15,000 words. It wouldn't be the worst scenario, even if not ideal and completely avoidable. Per WP:SIZERULE, upto 15,000 words and "the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material"., which in this case would probably be true.
I'm just suggesting that if anyone were to split off lengthy state section to a new article, in order to reduce the article size here with a more concise summary, I think it'd be a good idea overall. Maybe eventually I'll end up doing it to test the water as it were. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally the new article would have an expanded lead to a fuller paragraph, even if only a list of universities with protests for now. It could also include a summary of where the protests started, or spread, or where there were mass arrests etc. Then this could be copied back to this article. Maybe I'll look at doing so another time. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 15:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recently created a related article detailing the college protests at Ohio State University. After this article was made extended-protected, I lost my ability to edit the article because I do not have EP permissions. Substantial details are missing from this article, so until I regain my permissions, I have been adding suggestions to the talk page of this article. But no one has been implementing my suggestions on the talk page, despite the fact they are supported by multiple sources and add significant missing details from the article.
If members of this community could please visit the talk page of this article and implement my requested changes, this would be deeply appreciated. Thank you!
The UF protests were not entirely separate. Following the protest on the 24th, a permanent "Liberation Zone" was established that continued day and night, with students coming and going as they had spare time, eventually leading into the arrests on the 29th. 174.64.101.44 (talk) 22:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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