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Confirmation and the use of secondary sources

I'm posting this to head off any criticism of this article that secondary sources are used to prove the LGBTQ identities of the characters listed on this page. This is similar to what I posted on the List of animated series with LGBTQ characters talk page, but I am posting it here as well. According to WP:YTCOPYRIGHT, specifically the original research section,

All material in Wikipedia articles must be attributable to a reliable published source. This means a reliable published source must exist for it, whether or not it is cited in the article. Sources must support the material clearly and directly: drawing inferences from multiple sources to advance a novel position is prohibited by the NOR policy. Base articles largely on reliable secondary sources. While primary sources are appropriate in some cases, relying on them can be problematic. For more information, see the Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources section of the NOR policy, and the Misuse of primary sources section of the BLP policy.

Furthermore, on WP:NOR, it says:

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source, and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.

As such, citing sources like CBR, Collider, Anime News Network, Digital Spy, THEM Anime Reviews, and Den of Geek, along with the many others cited on the main page, are totally acceptable. When it comes to anime, official sites often are limited in the characters they talk about (usually only the protagonists, not the secondary characters for the most part) or give the characters biographies by putting text within images, making translation of the text impossible unless you are fluent in Japanese. This also means that primary sources are NOT necessarily needed to show the LGBTQ identity of any of the characters listed on this page. Such sources are nice, like in the cases of The Owl House, Kipo, Patalliro, Q-Force, Asteroid in Love, and Distant Lands, but they are not always available, especially if the show is an anime or is relatively obscure, and are also not necessary!

I just thought I'd point this out before some editor comes along and tries to remove content here. Historyday01 (talk) 04:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Series with TBA duration/start dates or have not premiered

These are series we don't know the exact release dates yet, or they have not premiered yet (and have said dates), so they are being moved here until these series have definite character debut and duration dates. Some will be moved to the main page when they have those dates.

Duration	Show title	Character debut date	Characters	Identity	Notes	Country
TBA	S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters	TBA	Salem	Non-binary	A non-binary cryptid who begins their journey to find out who they really are after learning they are adopted.^[1] In October 2020, Salem was also confirmed as pansexual.^[2] Series creator Samantha "Sam" Sawyer described Salem as excitable, willing to learn, and has a "thirst for knowledge."^[3]	United States
			Salem	Pansexual
			Oliver	Gay	A wannabe photographer of cryptids and confirmed as a gay character before the series aired.^[2]
			Petra	Asexual	A psychic medium terrified of ghosts who was confirmed as an asexual character before the series aired.^[2]
TBA	Lumberjanes	TBA	Jo	Trans woman	This animated adaptation of the comic book series of the same name, features Jo, the first trans female main character ever in an animated series geared towards children.^[4]^[5]
			Molly	Lesbian or Bisexual	Two other female main characters who identify as either bisexual or lesbian, are Molly and Mal, who both have requited crushes on each other.^[6]^[7]
			Mal	Lesbian or Bisexual

I am keeping these here as this will include series after 2025 and these may premiere in 2025 or beyond. Also I have basically zero confidence that S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters will premiere next year. And as such, I will probably remove it from the above, permanently.Historyday01 (talk) 22:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do we describe transgender and non-binary identities less offensively?

I heard that "identify as transgender or non-binary" is a microaggression. How do we rewrite descriptions of transgender or non-binary characters to make their identities more valid? 67.140.48.59 (talk) 00:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It may be best to continue this discussion on Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024. Historyday01 (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting off 2020-2024 entries into new article when 2025 begins?

Hello everyone! I thought I'd bring in something I proposed at Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2000–2004#Merge proposal, where it was suggested by @Klbrain to keep at the half-decade format. I wrote that it may be time to make a List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024 page after 2024 comes to a close since "some series could slip in during this month or next month" and noted that "it is over 25,000 words when I put it into LibreOffice." Does everyone else here think that this proposal makes sense? Or should such a split not happen (when 2025 begins) at all? Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

cc:@Solaire the knight, @Jamie Eilat, @User:PanagiotisZois @User:Runningman2027, @67.140.49.69, @98.17.91.148, @151.213.68.120, and @Tyler Michael Mannix, @User:GlitchyM., all of which are/were common contributors to this page. I have also posted about this on relevant WikiProjects. Historyday01 (talk) 22:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it depends on technical issues. Does this make sense? Solaire the knight (talk) 01:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but can you please explain more what you mean by "technical issues"? Historyday01 (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that this is a technical issue and if the rules/approach to working on lists requires it, then I'm not against it. Solaire the knight (talk) 14:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok. My understanding is that the page would be relatively large, going over the guidance at WP:TOOBIG, and would necessitate a split. Historyday01 (talk) 15:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the idea of creating a new article next year starting 2025, following the sequence:

For the current page, this would be best implemented by a move of this page to List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024, which could even be done now. If it is felt that the current page is WP:TOOLONG, I'd recommend trimming the existing content, which largely duplicates the content at the linked articles - some of the summaries seem excessive for a list. Klbrain (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I suppose it could be done now, but my only concern is that some series could be added this month or next month. But, I can agree that the size of the entries is inconsistent and the size of some entries probably should be reduced. Historyday01 (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: The split has occurred of 2020-2024 entries to List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024. I hear what you are saying @Klbrain about a move but... I'd like to keep this page without a move at this time. In any case, Klbrain, thanks, and additional thanks to @Solaire the knight for comments in this discussion earlier this year. I deeply appreciate it! Any further discussion about trimming content or entries should occur on that page, specifically on Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024. I would also be willing to change the name of this page to List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2020–Present but cannot do that without a page move (that name is currently a redirect).Historyday01 (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Gomez, Adrian (January 17, 2020). "Monster maker". Albuquerque Journal. Archived from the original on November 26, 2020. Retrieved January 15, 2021.
^ ^a ^b ^c Salem Series [@SalemSeries] (October 12, 2020). "Happy #NationalComingOutDay from your fave trio! Wearing their colors with pride 😉 Whether you're out or still waiting for just the right moment, the Salem crew is here for you and to say the most important thing about today is that you remember to a… https://instagr.am/p/CGOtcdtljxR/" (Tweet). Archived from the original on December 12, 2020. Retrieved December 12, 2020 – via Twitter. The Instagram post linked in the tweet further clarifies these LGBTQ identities.
^ Sawyer, Sam (2019). "I'm Artist Sam Sawyer and I've create "SALEM: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters". AMA!". Reddit. Archived from the original on January 29, 2020. Retrieved December 12, 2020.
^ Romano, Nick (October 7, 2020). "She-Ra creator sets next animated series, Lumberjanes, for HBO Max". EW. Archived from the original on October 7, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.
^ Rude, Mey (August 26, 2015). "In Lumberjanes Issue #17, Jo Comes Out As Trans and It's So Awesome". Autostraddle. Archived from the original on June 10, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.
^ Chappell, Caitlin (June 5, 2020). "The Best All Ages Comics for Pride, from Lumberjanes to The Backstagers". CBR. Archived from the original on July 2, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.
^ Howard, Tini (December 16, 2015). "7 Comic Books with Badass LGBT Characters". Teen Vogue. Archived from the original on September 29, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.

[abq-1] Gomez, Adrian (January 17, 2020). "Monster maker". Albuquerque Journal. Archived from the original on November 26, 2020. Retrieved January 15, 2021.

[Salemseries-2] Salem Series [@SalemSeries] (October 12, 2020). "Happy #NationalComingOutDay from your fave trio! Wearing their colors with pride 😉 Whether you're out or still waiting for just the right moment, the Salem crew is here for you and to say the most important thing about today is that you remember to a… https://instagr.am/p/CGOtcdtljxR/" (Tweet). Archived from the original on December 12, 2020. Retrieved December 12, 2020 – via Twitter. The Instagram post linked in the tweet further clarifies these LGBTQ identities.

[AMA-3] Sawyer, Sam (2019). "I'm Artist Sam Sawyer and I've create "SALEM: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters". AMA!". Reddit. Archived from the original on January 29, 2020. Retrieved December 12, 2020.

[Romano-4] Romano, Nick (October 7, 2020). "She-Ra creator sets next animated series, Lumberjanes, for HBO Max". EW. Archived from the original on October 7, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.

[5] Rude, Mey (August 26, 2015). "In Lumberjanes Issue #17, Jo Comes Out As Trans and It's So Awesome". Autostraddle. Archived from the original on June 10, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.

[6] Chappell, Caitlin (June 5, 2020). "The Best All Ages Comics for Pride, from Lumberjanes to The Backstagers". CBR. Archived from the original on July 2, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.

[7] Howard, Tini (December 16, 2015). "7 Comic Books with Badass LGBT Characters". Teen Vogue. Archived from the original on September 29, 2020. Retrieved October 10, 2020.

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