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Terrible updating

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Jesus Christ, get this page in order already or leave it to professional wiki editors to get the work done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.186 (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you do it yourself? Wikipedia is free for everyone to edit. And there are no professional editors here, only volunteers. You could be one too. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. There is support, and no clear opposition, for the proposal; sources indicate that "super-G" is not necessarily capitalized, and some instances of capitalization are merely examples of the individual author capitalizing everything. bd2412 T 21:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

– It appears to me that "super-G" is not a proper noun. The article on it – which I (to my knowledge) haven't edited – does not capitalize the "super" part, unless at the beginning of a sentence. I have no problem with the capital G, as it is an abbreviation (in fact I think it should be kept), so these pages should in my view be moved to the proposed targets. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC) --HandsomeFella (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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I'm just adding the first I find with Google and that have at least some editorial text. I'm arranging them by case usage. My comment at this stage would be that if it's written in lower-case to a certain extent, it would indicate that it is not a proper noun, and upper-case usage can be attributed to various forms of title case. From these examples (only the first page of search results), it appears that lower-case would indeed be the correct usage.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lower-case

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Upper-case

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Undeterminable

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Comments

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  • Support, per nom. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, The FIS has it capitalized in bios of athletes [1]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply: poor example. In the link given, "Super G" is a stand-alone entry in a table. In many or even most such cases, words are initcapped. Also, if you look at the drop-down lists there, "Cross-Country", "Ski Jumping", "Nordic Combined", "Alpine Skiing" and "Freestyle Skiing" are capitalized. Further down you'll find "Speed Skiing", "Grass Skiing", "Anti-Doping" and "Press Releases". It does not mean that we have it that way here. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Can we have actual evidence from reliable sources to determine the WP:COMMONNAME spelling, not based on how the super-G article is currently written? The current version is inconsistent: it does have "Super" capitalized in most instances of the lead, but not in the body? Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply: I didn't think it would be necessary, since it's no more a proper noun than slalom, giant slalom or downhill, but I'll see what I can do. I can see now that an IP recently added prose with several miscapitalizations on related words. Before that contribution, i.e. when I posted this RM, "super" had it 24–2 over "Super" in that version of the article (not counting beginnings of sentences). In the current version, it's 24–5. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I added a few more sources to the list above that use the upper-case "S", and a couple in which usage was undeterminable/mixed. As Wikipedia:Search engine test will tell you, it's also quality as well as quantity we should be looking at. When you have other news sources like the ones I added using the upper-case "S", I'm not convinced there is significant usage to one or the other. And it is hard to tell how many of these news publishers are merely copying-and-pasting re-publishing the same Associated Press, Reuters, or another news agency's articles -- which would inflate search engine results. Thus, it falls back to retaining the article's existing name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you actually look for sources using "Super-G" capitalized, or did you perform a neutral search? I performed neutral searches, and ended up with the 14–5–1 numbers (lower/upper/mixed). You have added 0–5–2, which is why I ask if your search was neutral. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per nom.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.