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JKR always thought of Dumbledore as gay.
Homosexuality were not a featured or even mentioned part of any of the seven books of the series.
Dumbledore's sexuality is not - we repeat, not - a notable part of the series of books, nor of his character as described in the books.

- Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 * Dumbledore's sexuality is ''not'' - we repeat, ''not'' - a notable part of the series of books, nor of his character ''as described in the books''.
 - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 19:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
-==Patrick McGoohan==
-The statement that Patrick McGoohan was offered the role first, and turned it down for health reasons, needs to be sourced, in particular since the implication of ill-health violates [[WP:BLP]] if it is not true. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] ([[User talk:23skidoo|talk]]) 06:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
-:Agreed. As per BLP, I am removing it until a proper source is found. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 19:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
-:While there was a source in place, it wasn't a very good one, and the reference to McGoohan was said almost in passing. It would be nice if there was a more solid references regarding that. I've removed it , but am more than willing to discuss the matter. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 19:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
-==In denial?==
-Why are all of you in denial that Dumbledore is gay?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.60.237.165|71.60.237.165]] ([[User talk:71.60.237.165|talk]]) 20:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:We've acknowledged the fact. Should we also make the background pink with purple text, so as not to be seen as being in denial? - [[User:I do not exist|<span style="color:teal">∅</span>]] ([[User talk:I do not exist|<span style="color: gold; font-weight: bold;">∅</span>]]), 21:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
-:Who is in denial?  --'''[[User:T-dot|T-dot]]''' ( <sup>[[User talk:T-dot|Talk]]</sup>/<small>''[[Special:Contributions/T-dot|contribs]]''</small> ) 22:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
-::We aren't in denial. As pointed out in the earlier section, Dumbledore's apparent sexual preference does not constitute any part of ''any'' of the ''seven'' books in the series. That is the consensus, which of course can change over time - when new information comes to light that contraverts the assessments of the prior consensus. With respect,i don't think that's likely to happen any time soon. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 22:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
-::: You know what I think? The pals that make the Harry Potter movies often like to include things that appear in next books. So it seems to me that they might add the revelation of Dumbledore's homosexuality in the ''Deathly Hallows'' movie, in the King's Cross scene. --<font face="Verdana">[[User:Wanna Know My Name? Later|WKMN? Later]] </font><font face="Tahoma" size="1">[ [[User talk:Wanna Know My Name? Later|Let's talk]] ]</font> 19:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::Wikipedia talk pages '''are not forums'''. If you want to post your theories, do so on a fansite not here. [[User:Asyndeton|<span style="color:black">'''asyndeton'''</span>]] [[User talk:Asyndeton|<small><span style="color:gray">'''talk'''</span></small>]] 19:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::Agreed. Now, let's put this slightly unfriendly discussion behind us, and move on. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 20:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::You know, I was just saying something. If you don't want me to say anything, just say it. --<font face="Verdana">[[User:Wanna Know My Name? Later|WKMN? Later]] </font><font face="Tahoma" size="1">[ [[User talk:Wanna Know My Name? Later|Let's talk]] ]</font> 16:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::No, that's not it at all. It's just that we've talked this thing to death on more than one occasion. It isn't that I think your opinion is foolish or unlistened to, it is simply that we have heard many of these arguments before. I wasn't trying to dis you. :) - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 22:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::::Yes, ok. I've seen the Archive, it's full of conversations about Dumbledore being gay. I really consider that this is not important for the books. But I was saying that, the DH film makers may include this information in the movie. --<font face="Verdana">[[User:Wanna Know My Name? Later|WKMN? Later]] </font><font face="Tahoma" size="1">[ [[User talk:Wanna Know My Name? Later|Let's talk]] ]</font> 16:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::You're right, the filmmakers may very well do that, but we can't say at this point that they will.  Maybe after the films are released this can be added to the [[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film)|DH film]] page -- however, these ''character'' pages concern canon from the books, with the except of the section about the character's film portrayal. <span style="color:teal">[[User:Ashleyscripter|AshleyScripter]]</span> <span style="color:gray">[<sup>[[User talk:Ashleyscripter|talkback]]</sup>|<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ashleyscripter|contribs]]</sub>]</span> 18:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::: WKMN? perhaps you should read [[WP:CRYSTAL]], which says that Wikipedia is only concerned with what we know for sure and that we do not speculate about things that may or may not happen. If you would really like to discuss your theories about such things, then please go to a fansite to do so. This is not personal, it is just the appropriate response to this kind of discussion. [[User:Asyndeton|<span style="color:black">'''asyndeton'''</span>]] [[User talk:Asyndeton|<small><span style="color:gray">'''talk'''</span></small>]] 19:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
-Can we remove [[#In denial?|this section]] altogether? [[WP:NOT#FORUM]]. - [[User:I do not exist|<span style="color:teal">∅</span>]] ([[User talk:I do not exist|<span style="color: gold; font-weight: bold;">∅</span>]]), 07:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-:Yes, and then we'll probably have the exact same thread start up again within a week.  Same conversation, different participants, thinking ''wow check it out - I just saw this on the internet - they say Dumbledore was gay for Grindelwald !!!!!'' and yada yada yada.  If this thread is "completed", perhaps it can be buried in the bottom of Archive #7, and referred to as needed if a new thread erupts.  Again.  --'''[[User:T-dot|T-dot]]''' ( <sup>[[User talk:T-dot|Talk]]</sup>/<small>''[[Special:Contributions/T-dot|contribs]]''</small> ) 11:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-::We already have enough of these threads in the archive, and there's always {{tlx|notaforum}}... - [[User:I do not exist|<span style="color:teal">∅</span>]] ([[User talk:I do not exist|<span style="color: gold; font-weight: bold;">∅</span>]]), 12:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-Well, someone archive this page, and we'll put a section at the top called 'Consensus/FAQ' or whatever, stipulating what we have determined via consensus the usage and notation of AD's homosexuality, with a link to the archive. Tah and dah. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 17:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-:I'm buyin' what Arcayne is sellin'. [[User:Faithlessthewonderboy|<span style="color:blue">'''faithless'''</span>]] [[User talk:Faithlessthewonderboy|<small><span style="color:black">(<sup>'''speak'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 20:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-::{{Y}} Done.  --'''[[User:T-dot|T-dot]]''' ( <sup>[[User talk:T-dot|Talk]]</sup>/<small>''[[Special:Contributions/T-dot|contribs]]''</small> ) 21:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)