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Early comment

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There, I believe that addresses all questions of notability for this guy. Junganghansik (talk) 03:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of the deletion proposal because of insufficient evidence of notability

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This guy is a relevant economic operator in South Korea, the former(?) leader of a suicide cult and the presumed boss of the company owning the recently-sunk MV Sewol, currently being sought by the South Korean authorities because of that. I think he is notable (and notorious) enough to stay. MaeseLeon (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He's notable enough for 1,000 police officers and 70 investigators: http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2989474 Anyone worthy of that much man power deserves a movie starring Tom Hanks let alone a Wiki. PeterDaley72 (talk) 11:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Subject of this article

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Should changed into Yu byeong-eon, and his articles should written in NPOV.
Today, I saw the news about this article here (in Korean). - Ellif (talk) 06:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC) edited in 09:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a good idea, though it should be Yu Byeong-eon. Wow, they're talking about us! Junganghansik (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to move the article to his birth name, and have already suggested such a move at AfD. Judging from this conversion tool, Yu Byeong-eon would be the transliteration to use, but it's a murky area. My suggestion is that we await the outcome of the AfD, before moving. I have added header to this talk page, including {{Press}}. Ellif, could you make a translation of relevant parts of the Huffingtonpost.kr article for us? Sam Sailor Sing 09:48, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That article is own of Yonhap news, So is it good thing to translate copyrighted article on here? - Ellif (talk) 09:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think they would mind at all, if you translated the whole thing, but currently that's not really needed. Just a relevant quote or two. Whatever you think is relevant. Judging from the crappy Google translate maybe this: "인터넷 백과사전인 위키피디아 영문 사이트에 유병언 전 세모그룹 회장을 옹호하고 의혹에 반박하는 내용이 실린 페이지가 최근 새로 생긴 것으로 22일 확인됐다. 위키피디아 사이트에서 그의 예명인 'Ahae'(아해)를 검색하면 "언론보도와 달리 아해는 세월호 운영사(청해진해운)의 주식이 전혀 없으며 사업에도 일일이 관여하지 않았다"는 내용이 담겼다." is relevant? Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor Sing 10:05, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"In the 22nd day [of May], the page which contains contents which advocates Yu byeong eon, ex-president of semo group, and contradict of suspictions [for Yu byeong-eon], In the english site of Wikipedia, which is the Internet encyclopedia. When one searches 'Ahae', that is his stage name on Wikipedia site, the one [can see article] which contain contents of "Differently in reports of media, Ah~ does not have any of stock of Operator of Sew^l-ho(C^@h~jin(cheonghaejin) Marine), and not get involved in the business [of C^@h~jin Marine]"." - Ellif (Talk) 10:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ellif. If anybody else can contribute to a translation, that'll be great. Sam Sailor Sing 12:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Robobeg, could you help with a translation here? Sam Sailor Sing 19:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Sailor, ok, which part of the article should I translate? Robobeg (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The title, and ""세월호 구입·개조 지시했다는 언론보도도 위조" 위키피디아 관리자 "페이지 삭제 고려 중이다"", and whichever part you think is relevant for Wikipedia as community to know about. Maybe that is: "위키피디아는 누구라도 편집에 참여할 수 있는 공신력있는 사이트다. 논란이 되는 인물에 대해 이렇게 일방적인 시각의 설명만 담긴 경우는 드물다. 편집에 참여한 누리꾼이 밝힌 '아해' 페이지의 참고문헌은 지난 1주일간 국내외 언론보도가 대부분이다. 사이트 이력을 보면 처음 생긴 날짜는 지난 16일이다.", and "위키피디아 관리자는 이 페이지에 대해 "위키피디아의 삭제 정책에 따라 삭제를 고려 중"이라며 "사실 확인을 위해 추가적인 인용이 필요하다. 믿을만한 출처를 추가해 달라"고 공지했다." But I leave the discission with you, as you know best. Sam Sailor Sing 14:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sam Sailor, About the subject - Most Korean media use Yoo Byung-eun while some western media use Byung Eun Yoo as the name order. I prefer Yoo Byung-eun because it reflects the Korean name order. Both have the same spellings and I assume that it is Yoo's choice. If so, it is respected in most cases. Robobeg (talk) 15:29, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Then we have the right article title for al various reasons! --Sam Sailor Sing 11:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sam Sailor, You mean the title of the article? Wikipedia claims that "You Byung-eun is unconnected to the disaster." Robobeg (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will try - "<Sewol Disaster> Wikipedia [read] 'Yoo Byung-eun nothing to do with disaster' (Photo caption - Yoo Byung-eun former chairman Semo Group) 'Sewol Purchase*Alteration Media reports [he] supervised [all] false.' [According to] Wikipedia administrator 'Page under consideration for deletion' (Seoul=Yonhap News) By Kang Hoon-sang = On English site internet encyclopedia Wikipedia, page full of advocacy and contents refute allegations about Yoo Byung-eun former chairman Semo Group recently confirmed May 22nd [to be] newly created. If search for his stage name 'Ahae'(Ahae) on Wikipedia site 'Different from media reports Ahae [has] no shares at all Sewol operator (Chonghaejin Shipping)' [and] 'not involved in [not sure translation] business' contents are contained [there]. Here says 'Media reports [that] Ahae direct responsible for Sewol purchase and freighter conversion thoroughly false' [and] is claimed 'If consider Chonghaejin Shipping and I-One-I Holdings shareholders is clear Ahae not possess*control Chonghaejin'. I-One-I Holdings holding company who major shareholder two sons of Yoo former chairman have 7% equity Chonghaejin Shipping. Also complaints about Korean government and national media expressed. Collect references to newspaper articles reporting suspicion of Blue House intervention in KBS report [and] says 'Because Korean government is Sewol disaster and interest in government responsibility try to turn [away] will cause influence [over] mainstream media to be known' [and] accused 'So many advocacy and police announcement aligned [with] incorrect claim Ahae possess Chonghaejin Shipping'. Wikipedia is site with credibility anyone can partake editing. [On Wikipedia] case containing only one-sided description of time about controversial figures is rare. References on 'Ahae' page revealed by netizens [who] partake in editing mostly national and international media coverage [from] past one week. If look at site record [page] first created date past April 16th. About Yoo former chairman religious activity says 'Yoo former chairman investigated regarding Odaeyang incident [but] revealed no connection at all' [and] explained 'Triggered by Sewol disaster through about 20 years repeated incorrect media attack long and painful impression remain on Korean people'. Besides Yoo former chairman [not sure English] and photographer, there also information about long explanation of record as poet and exhibitions. About Yoo former chairman use of Ahae stage name description is attached 'when in 5th grade teacher wrote on blackboard verse [from] among famous poet Cho Shik poems "Ahae(Small child), where is paradise?" Yoo former chairman who especially received impression call himself that from then on'. Wikipedia administrator about this page says 'Following Wikipedia deletion guideline in the middle discussing deletion' [and] notified 'To verify truth additional quote needed. Please add reliable sources.' On one side Yoo former chairman side to promote his artistry shake-up the site 'ahaenews.com' earlier this month [but] as of today May 22nd administrator take offline [and] site operation stopped." Sorry poor English. F355fan (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Robobeg, and many thanks to you, F355fan. I hope we will see you more often. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 11:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Korean media as primary sources

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I was going to ask about the appropriateness of using Korean media as primary sources for this incident when there have been multiple examples of incorrect reports going out, such as the early report that all the passengers had been rescued. After a cursory search, I've found that all the available articles criticizing the coverage by the Korean media was generated by the Korean media, making that point moot. But in the interest of self-education as a first-time editor, I guess I'd like to ask the following question: Should we be striving to cite only Western media for primary sources? Or can we cite Korean media sources with the aim of more complete coverage? Thanks! TeamLFB (talk) 05:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC) TeamLFB (talk) 03:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move to common name

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By reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) it dawned on me that we don't use Revised Romanization when there is an established spelling in English. And Yoo Byung-eun seems to be the most used spelling: 210,000 G-hits the other day, c. 1.5 million as we speak. I suggest we move the article from Yu Byeong-eon to Yoo Byung-eun, but request input from other editors. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 17:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's a straightforward, non-controversial move, and as nobody has spoken against it, I will perform it. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 07:22, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Factual errors

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In this edit the following string of text:

"Prosecutors also have received testimony stating that Yu ordered the restructuring of the upper floor of the Sewol in order to install an exhibition hall for Ahae's photographs, which may or may not have contributed to the sinking."

supported by this source from May 20: Jeong, Hyo-sik (20 May 2014). "Yoo directed Sewol remodeling, testimony says". Joongang Daily.

was changed into

"Prosecutors are also investigating what role Yu may have played in the remodeling done to the Sewol between October 2012 and February 2013. They have received testimony stating that Yu ordered the restructuring of the upper floor of the Sewol in order to install an exhibition hall for Ahae's photographs, which may or may not have contributed to the sinking."

by copy pasting a snip from an older source dated May 9: "Investigators Confirm Ownership of Ferry Operator". english.chosun.com. 2014-05-09.

But upon a closer read of the May 20 source it transpires that the impact of the testimony from the employee of Chonghaejin who was in charge of the refitting had far-reaching consequenses, and that the prosecutors were well passed "investigating what role Yu may have played":

"Based on the testimony, prosecutors plan to hold Yoo vicariously liable for the acts of the operator's crew members. Under the vicarious liability law, one can be held liable for the actions of subordinates and employees. "Under the commercial law, a chief executive or president should be responsible for damages incurred by a company even if he or she is not directly related," said a senior prosecutor who is involved in the current investigation into the ferry disaster. ... "Although Yoo is not a chief executive, we’ve concluded that he is the one who directs operation and execution of business based on evidence. In this case, he should bear the same responsibility as the chief executive""

One of the key points here is vicariously liable.

I am going to edit the section in question and invite other editors to review the change and comment here. My suggestion is that we date article entries far more, as is currently done in the lead regarding the reward. Ideally someone would draft a timeline. Any takers? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 07:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who made this edit, and I was unaware that I was referencing an older article to make the change. I should have been more careful, and I apologize. TeamLFB (talk) 08:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You mentioned that we should date article entries more. The AP newswire story says the Odaeyang bodies were found on "Saturday" and was published on August 29, 1987."33 BODIES FOUND IN ATTIC AFTER APPARENT MURDER-SUICIDE PACT". 1987-08-29. Checking the calendar, this implies the bodies were found August 29, 1987. However, the NY Times article states that the bodies were found "today" and was published August 30, 1987."32 People Found Dead In South Korean Plant". 1987-08-30. Do you think this discrepancy can be resolved? In my thinking, it is possible that the AP story uses the current time in the US, while the NY Times story uses the time in Korea. This explanation makes sense to me, but I wanted your input before I made an edit to the article. Also, if we do add the date, which date should we use? The date in Korea at the time or the date in the US? TeamLFB (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Using dates more often when dealing with a current event that gets coverage on a daily basis makes sense. If it does in regards to the past is something to be decided from case to case. Here, I don't think it matters. I don't know what happened at the NYT, printed it the day after without updating the text? (Apropos, that's a fine example of why you need to be careful with current events!) But the date according to (all other?) sources I have seen says August, 29. And the body count was 32. We get lots of those cases. Sam Sailor Sing 18:45, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You would think these journalists could get together to get their facts straight. I'm still seeing recently published articles that use the 33 number. Since that's settled, I will add it to the page. If anyone feels that this detail is insignificant and doesn't merit inclusion, feel free to remove it later on. TeamLFB (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to add it back in because I'm the one who originally added the fact to this page, but now the NYT has reported that the Ahae gallery renovations included very heavy marble and most certainly aggravated the imbalance within the Sewol. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/world/asia/in-ferry-deaths-a-south-korean-tycoons-downfall.html?_r=0 I don't see why this fact isn't on this page, as it perfectly illustrates the culpability of his ego in the ferry disaster. Junganghansik (talk) 01:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged involvement in the sinking of the Sewol

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It appears that the current last paragraph in this section is more about other accusations against Yoo arising from investigations into his conduct rather than dealing with his involvement in the actual sinking. Should this be broken out into a new section? TeamLFB (talk) 09:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yoo also embezzled money from Chonghaejin Marine, the operator of Sewol. For example, according to the prosecutors, he named six ships operated by Cheonghaejin including Sewol for himself, registered them as trademarks, and has claimed ₩1,000,000 (~$976) per voyage as the royalty, which amounts to around ₩600,000,000 (~$585,600) per year. The CEO of the company acknowledged that they purchased Ahae's photos at exorbitant prices and also paid consulting fees to his paper companies. In contrast, the company only spent around $500 on the crew's safety education last year. I believe that such embezzlement contributed to the disaster indirectly. Robobeg (talk) 13:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The prosecutors said that the main purpose for investigating seemingly separate conducts of Yoo was to estimate his hidden fortune for exercising the rights to imdemnify later. BTW, as it became apparent now, the motive behind him to portray himself as a mysterious photographer Ahae was not only to earn reputation using money but also to devise new means to extort more money from his companies and believers. Therefore, how about revising the title of the Photography section to have more nuance of crimes and move the current last paragraph in this section into it? Robobeg (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that's a good idea. Please remember the section started out as an unsourced bulleted list from Ahae Press Inc et al. Do you have time to look at the section, Robobeg? Sam Sailor Sing 11:46, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Private life

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Yoo have four children. His oldest son Dae-gun is a fugitive now like his father. The reward for him was raised from 30 million won to 100 million won. The Interpol Red Notice was issued for Yoo's second son Hyu-gi and oldest daughter Som-na. The news about arrestment of Yoo Som-na has just inserted into this section. However, it doesn't seem to be appropriate to deal with such material here because it is not private any longer. Robobeg (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the paragraph about Som-na up makes sense (as well as whatever anybody writes about the two sons), but right now I will focus on other things. The section name does not imply that it follows stricter rules than the rest of the BLP. Sam Sailor Sing 18:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking of the Sewol : Ownership

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I noticed that one of the links had gone dead. But as I was fixing it, I noticed that a good portion of this section is merely quotes from the relevant articles. My understanding is that this is not Wikipedia style, so I want to fix it. But as the information overlaps a little bit, I was looking for input on how to proceed. Here is my problem, ordered by chronological order of the linked articles.

The first article is actually "Scandalous owner family of Sewol," published on April 23. There appear to be two statements in this article that were used for the Wikipedia entry. The first says "Chonghaejin Marine Co., the operator of the sunken ferry Sewol ... " and doesn't appear to be much of a problem. So I will have nothing further to say on it. The second statement is "Yoo’s ownership of the company is now succeeded by his two sons, who wield power through a web of company cross-shareholdings." This seems to be implying that Yoo used to own Chonghaejin (via the word "succeeded"); but since we don't use that in the Wikipedia page, I will skip over that part as well. So we're left with the fact that Chonghaejin is owned by Yoo's two sons, who wield power through a web, etc.

The second article is the CNN article, "Meet the millionaire tied to South Korean ferry sinking probe." The dateline says April 29, but the URL implies that it was actually published April 24. The relevant passage from the article appears to be "But South Korean media have reported that some believe he controls the company through two of his sons, who own stakes in the firm through subsidiaries."

The final article is from the Cornwall Standard Freeholder which publishes a Reuters newswire story on April 26. It also mentions that Chonghaejin is the operator of the Sewol, but the passage that's actually relevant says "Prosecutors have also raided the home of Yoo Byung-un, 73, the head of a family that owns the Chonghaejin."

The section, as I read it now, certainly incorporates all the relevant passages I've listed above, but does it in a way that isn't very clearly written. So I would appreciate some input as to what people think would be a better way to express these things. I suppose I could just edit the section as I see fit and let the revisions fall where they may, but I would rather avoid stepping on anybody's toes. So what do people think? TeamLFB (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose the revision in question is 16:27, 28 May 2014, it's the only one that fits. I made edits to the section 17:10 and filled in refs 17:15. Article currently looks like this. I have (obviously) no probs with it, but it's a work in progress. Considering the complexity we might do the reader a favour by keeping it relatively simple. Re CNN source http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/24/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking-yoo/ there's no way it can have been published on 24 April, despite the URL, as it quotes the press release from 25 April. Sam Sailor Sing 18:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that edit. It actually cleared up something that I was confused by. I couldn't understand how investigators had found an ID listing Yoo as employee #1 when the lawyer had announced that Yoo had no financial links to Chonghaejin. But seeing that he is Chonghaejin's former chairman, it all makes sense now. I guess he must have divested all his financial holdings sometime in the past. As for the date confusion, it's possible that the CNN piece was originally published on the 24th and then updated on the 29th to include various bits of new information. It would explain why, next to the dateline of April 29, it says, "Updated 1657 GMT (0057 HKT)." TeamLFB (talk) 20:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Biography : Semo Group

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According to this article, the bankruptcy of Semo Group occurred in August 1997. This would place it during the 1997_Asian_financial_crisis or, as it is known in Korea, the IMF crisis. According to the Wiki article, Kia Motors (obviously a much larger company than Semo) asked for emergency loans in July of that year. Should this reference be added? TeamLFB (talk) 11:59, 1 June 2014 (UTC) TeamLFB (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Sam Sailor Sing 21:43, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Staying within Wikipedia guidelines

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I came across the following AFP newswire article today: While I obviously have no proof, I got the impression that the author might have included the Wikipedia entry in his research prior to writing the article; and that made me wonder how well we are adhering to the BLP guidelines. After a cursory examination, my main concerns are the mention of the name of the wife (possibly in violation of WP:BLPNAME) and where people think we stand in reference to WP:BLPCRIME. Is my concern valid, or am I being unnecessarily cautious? I look forward to hearing what people have to say. Thanks! TeamLFB (talk) 04:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC) TeamLFB (talk) 03:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning

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While this article has not lately seen blatant edit attempts from SPA/COI editors, people who have followed it from its early start as Ahae will remember how tacky and apologetic some previous revisions were. Judging from IP edits made from Mount Kisco, New York, where both Ahae Press Inc., Ahae Products, Evangelical Media Group, and Hemato-Centric Life Institute share office address, the COI was obvious, and the media picked up on it, cf. the {{Press}} in bannerspace.

Following John Power's article "The Cults of South Korea". 17 June 2014 in The Diplomat, "a PR rep for Ahae Press, Inc., which “markets and exhibits the work of the photographer AHAE (Mr. Yoo Byung-eun),” has contacted The Diplomat to deny a number of the assertions made about Yoo in this article, specifically his links to the Sewol and the Odaeyang cult." Apparently when Ahae Press did not have any impact, heavier machinery was deployed, as Power on his Twitter account wrote on 19 June: "LA-based PR firm Sitrick and Company is representing Ahae, aka Yoo Byung-eun. It has asked sections of my piece on Korean cults be removed."[1] Sitrick and Company has been handling some interesting cases. Sam Sailor Sing 09:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life: Yoo Hyuk-kee

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It looks like we need some conflict resolution: In this section, citing The Korea Times, we have that Hyuk-kee is a U.S. citizen. But The Chosun Ilbo, which we also cite in this section, reports he is a Resident Permit holder. I'm assuming this is referring to Permanent Residency, aka Green Card, status. So, which should we go with? Change it? Leave it? TeamLFB (talk) 20:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC) TeamLFB (talk) 03:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Does any Korean-language source shed light on this matter? Sam Sailor Sing 04:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done for now. As I couldn't find English-language sources that clarify the question, I reworded to "and, according to sources, either has permanent residence status or holds a U.S. citizenship" in this diff. --Sam Sailor Sing 11:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Career: Samwoo Trading

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I just noticed that this section on Samwoo Trading only has two sentences on Samwoo Trading, and then moves on to talking about Semo Corp. I realize we're trying to make the Career section flow in chronological order, but I think the section might flow more logically if we move Odaeyang below the Semo Corp section and then combine the Samwoo Trading and Semo Corp sections into one. What do you all think? TeamLFB (talk) 03:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, with regard to the edit made by Kleinesuh, I find myself in agreement with this edit. Now, I recognize that there is a history on this page of disruptive edits, and I also recognize that this phrase comes from the cited material. I just find myself questioning the utility of including it in a section that is ostensibly talking about Samwoo Trading and Semo Corp. In other words, does the absence versus the presence of that phrase there make a difference? I would also remove the word "just" from near the end of the section for the same reason, in the interest of conciseness. I suppose I could just go ahead and make the edits, but I wanted to make my reasoning clear and the "Edit summary" box seemed a little too small for that. Besides, I'm also not interested in starting an edit war any time soon. Actually, I think I will go ahead and make the edit now on "just," but I'll wait for feedback here before acting on the other part. TeamLFB (talk) 03:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't a lot of non-Korean sources among the 300+ that I have come across that deal with the 1970s and 1980s. But the integration of "business and belief" so to speak is quite clear, e.g. from Prosecutors Raid Home of South Korean Ferry Owner:
"Around 1976, Yoo acquired a financially troubled trading company called Samwo Trading in a bid to create jobs for church members and increase their wealth, the transcript of the court case finding said. The company became deeply integrated with the church. Many of its church members were equity stakeholders of the company and some were even hired by the company, while church assets including its main building were offered as collateral to secure Samwo's finance, it said. In 1982, when Samwo's cash requirement was at its height, a colluding employee of Yoo even urged its church members to borrow from their acquaintances to finance Yoo's business, the court findings said."
Also form 'Salvation sect' suspected of backing Yoo's business:
"While serving as a pastor in the 1970s, he established a toy company and practically forced members of the "salvation sect" to work there under poor working conditions. ... As the toy business thrived, he said, Yoo no longer introduced himself as a pastor, but a CEO."
So attempts to keep religion and work separated are at best a misunderstanding or shallow reading of the sources. A primary source like telc.kr directly state as a fact that "they share the same workplace or career."
What could be relevant is to expand on this aspect of integration of business and belief.
/Samwoo Trading/ covers 1976-86. /Odaeyang mass suicide/ covers 1987 and the 1991/92 aftermath. /Semo Corp/ covers 1990s. I regard the section on the Odaeyang mass suicide as an intermezzo and find that it flows well. If you want to try something else, have a go at it. Sam Sailor Sing 06:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, how would I go about utilizing the sandbox to re-organize the section as I see fit? Is there a tutorial somewhere? TeamLFB (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I found the link to my Sandbox. I assume I can just copy and paste the section from the article to my sandbox and then work on it there? TeamLFB (talk) 01:19, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. WP:HD is a great place to post questions also. Sam Sing! 05:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I ended up being awfully busy, but I finally found some time to come back to this. After looking at it with fresh eyes, I think the Career section would best be served by some edits to the sub-section titles. I'll go ahead and implement the changes as I see fit. TeamLFB (talk) 02:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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FALSE INFORMATION

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HI DONNER60, I AM HAPPY TO DO PROVIDE VERIFIABLE, PROVEN AND RELIABLE SOURCES TO SUBSTANTIATE AND WARRANT SEVEREAL. JUST NOTE THAT IN SEVERAL ARTICLES THAT ARE PRESENTLY USED AS REFERENCES, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLES, THE AUTHOR/PUBLISHER MAKES SEVERAL FOOTNOTES TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR ERRORS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockchainattorney (talk • contribs) 03:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking of the Sewol: Leadership

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Hello. I've modified a section under "Sinking of the Sewol: Leadership." The section spoke about Yoo Byung-eun as the owner and operator of Chonghaejin Marine. But in actuality it was found that Yoo Byung-eun had no involvement or management in the operation of the ferry. Reference 194 contains revision statements by the Press Arbitration Committee that supports this change. And reference 195 no longer contains the original content of these claims. [http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140511000365] Skjinny (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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