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Neutrality msg

I see no POV problem with the article, some tough talk but nothing untrue or problematic POV. Since I doubt anyone wil be reading this I am going to remove it now. Please don't be angry. :D george 02:53, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Lobos"

Isn't that, like, the second most offensive name you could call these people? Or am I thinking of something else? –Hajor 00:41, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Lobo sounds very offensive, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:03 (UTC)

no taking in count the mestizos were also called coyotes.

Which presumably was another insult, SqueakBox 17:17, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Being that we have articles about nigger, redneck, white cracker, dyke, queer, faggot, Kraut these terms don't seem like insults, especially Afro-Mexican and Afro-Latin American. --Vizcarra 17:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification -- my comment above was made at a time when this article was moved to Lobo (Zambo), which is obviously quite a different issue. Blacks, German people, etc. moved to the article locations given above would, I hope, be just as unacceptable. –Hajor 19:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lobo is a label used in official documentation on colonial Mexico. I have started the article Lobo (racial category) to bring together info. Another derogatory casta term is coyote. I started a Wiki article on that label as well, Coyote (racial category). Amuseclio (talk) 03:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC) Amuseclio[reply]

Redirects

I'd like some explanation why this page was renamed twice, thereby creating a double redirect chain and leaving a page whose title appears nowhere in the body. --Kelly Martin 00:54, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

blacks in central america and south america

there are also blacks in central america, and south america.

Gringo300 30 June 2005 02:55 (UTC)

Indeed. There's an overview at Afro-Latin American, but it's still very sketchy & unequal in its coverage. –Hajor 30 June 2005 13:51 (UTC)

Mexican Negros

I'm a mexican negro and I don't get mad because people call me negro, not even in Cuba or República Dominicana. I think afro-mexican sounds funny.

My partner gets called negra a lot up the coast here in Honduras; if she was fat they would probably call her gordita (fatty). That is the Latin American way, and is a sign of affection not rascism. Sounds just the same as in Mexico, as I know it is from my little experience of your country, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 00:31 (UTC)

Don't destroy the article!

If you are proposing a VfD you are welcome, but don't blank my edits. --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 00:25 (UTC)

I already have a Vfd. I would argue that readers can already read this at Afro-Latin American but the Vfd doesn't, of course, stop you editing the article. Why do you want a separate article. can we reach a compromise, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 00:29 (UTC)

If the Vfd doesn't stop people from editing the article don't blank my edits. I want to separate the article because of its size, it will be more readable since it is much larger than the other countries mentioned. Afro-Mexican is already of a similar size than Afro-Latin American it is entitled to its own space, why? because the terms are not synonyms. --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 00:57 (UTC)

I am not now reverting your last revert? It is Afro Latin American that needs this article if it is to be viable, and it's length would encourage info on other countries, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:02 (UTC)

Yes you did, and I thank you for it. Afro Latin American does need the info that's why I kept the summary. If anyone is interested in more about the particular country of Mexico, the link is there to follow the main article. The fact that it has an article of its own would encourage info about other countries as well. And if they all do, the size of the article would be unmanageable (see the wikipedia size limits). --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 01:16 (UTC)

I think we should only worry about weight issues when they actually happen, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:33 (UTC)

VFD debate

This article was formerly listed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Afro-Mexican. After the ensuing debate came to consensus, the article was kept. Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} 02:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

POV

I think that the article has a heavily biased Usian point of view.

Examples:

In the eyes of Mexican population, only people with very dark skin are actually called "negro", so the black population is not perceived as a community.

So, what is black population? Not what locals or themselves consider black, but what the writer considers black? If I have a black grandfather, and 3 white ones, I'm not a negro, but I think the author considers I should be part of the so called black community.

What is a black population?.. this is a good question with no wasy answers, since is tainted with cultural views. I agree the phrasing is a bit akward. (i wrote it), if you could hlep to cleaning i would be glad. That i im tryin to explain is this: Today in Mexico, there a people of with black ancestry trying to create a sense of a black. But most of the people wich "looks" it has a black ancestry, prefer to be considered "Mestizo". Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of acknowledgement sometimes makes it difficult for Afro-Mexicans to take pride in their African heritage.

, so the population is classified on cultural bases rather than racial.

It looks as if the article agreed with a racialist/genetist point of view, similar to the one drop rule, so if anyone has a drop of African blood is suposed to have an "African heritage".

yes, actually this part was written by someone who believes that a "drop of African blood is suposed to have an "African heritage", but i did not wanted to erase his point of view. Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article needs to be neutralized. --81.38.187.38 00:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article containts two diferents point of view, so it need cleaning, and a good style correction. i also have the bad habit of not put sources. I will try to document it, but i need someone with a much better english than me , to take care of it. Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IT is an undisputed fact that Diego Rivera's father was of puren European descent and his mother was of indigenous decent. There is no documentation of Rivera having an African background. This is a travesty.

This is interesting

There are many books and writings by this man (Marco Polo Hernandez Cuevas). The one that is most popular right now is,”African Mexicans and the Discourse on Modern Nation" It is a good read; he has another book coming out.

It is interesting reading all of the discussions on line, makes me happy and proud. :)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/That Girl (talk) 07:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Emiliano Zapata

I would like to see a source placed for the claim that Zapata was Afro-Mexican. I've never even heard of this assumption. Can anyone shed light on the matter? If not I'd like to see this challenged. DeathRattle101 (talk) 06:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zapata was Nahua Indigenous Mexican, probably not "pure blooded", but it is documented that he spoke Nahuatl as did most people from Anenecuilco. Actually there are fairly few Afro-Mexicans in inland Morelos, being an inland state. The section has to be changed since it is nowhere near commonly accepted that Zapata had any Afro-Mxican heritage. IF reliable sources to the claim are introduced it still merits no morer than a mention about "speculations and theories that Zapata might have been Afro-Mexican".·Maunus· ·ƛ· 10:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed th Zapata section which has remained un-referenced for over a week now.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 10:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Zapata was black, French, and south of mexico indigenous — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarealMxhistorian (talk • contribs) 00:17, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number and Links

Nowhere have I read the number of blacks in Mexico is one million. It seems as though the estimates are coming from projections made from the census taken during Colonial Mexico. None of the links work or signify anything close to a million blacks in Mexico. Is anyone going to change it to something documented?Saopabs83 (talk) 05:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Section removed

I've removed the section entitled "African Mexicans and the Discourse on Modern Mexico". It is an essay and in fact a copy right violation. It's a verbatim copy of the homonimous book introduction, as can be seen in google books, page xiii.

I've removed the section titled "Costa Chica communities" because it was in violation of Wikipedia's rules: Wikipedia:No original research. Plus the section did not provide any sources to verify it's claims and it appears to have been written based on one person's mere speculations. Ocelotl10293 (talk) 10:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles Within the Mestizo Discussion Page

Hey. Just wanted to call some attention to some articles cited in Wikipedia's "Mestizo" article/page which pertain to African admixture within the general Mexican (and Mexican-descended) population-- look under a heading which mentions "African Admixture." They could be useful for the Afro-Mexican page.69.235.166.4 (talk) 20:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)James Lopez[reply]

Problems with this article

The recent inclusion of pictures of Melvin Brown, Giovani dos Santos and Pio Pico illustrate a basic problem with this article. None of those persons would probably define themselves as Afro-Mexicans. Melvin Brown's "African ancestry" comes form his jamaican grandfather, Giovani dos Santos' comes from his brazilian father and Pio Pico's grandmother was a "mulata". Classifying them as afro-mexican only makes sense if applying the "one-drop-rule" and at the same time if applying the one drop rule the term afro-mexican loses any usefulness it might have had since EVERYONE has african ancestry when taken far enough into the past. The article simply invents a category of Afro-Mexicans and then define people into that category without referencing or arguing for those claims and without regarding whether these people themselves defined as afrmexicans or not. Basically the articles problem is OR and indeed the title itself may be OR. ·Maunus·ƛ· 13:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Significant African Contributions to Mexican Culture

I take issue with the statement that the African cultural contribution was "not significant" to "mainstream" Mexican culture. It may be subtle compared to, for example, Cuba's African cultural heritage, but this does not render it insignificant. Much of the traditional Mexican music is very significantly African. The "son jarocho" and "son jalisciense" all feature a rhythmic base of 6/8 tempo, along with "call and response" vocals, all of which are considered of West African origin. The "son jalisciense" and "son huasteco/huapango" also feature alternating rhythms, which is also considered to be African-influenced. Even the famous dish "menudo" is said to have an African origin (similar to chitterlings in the U.S.). To whoever last edited this article: please consider revising the statement regarding the significance of African heritage in relation to Mexican culture (underneath the "Admixed Population" section). Thank you.69.235.130.208 (talk) 14:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)James Lopez[reply]

Do recent immigrants count?

Giovani Dos Santos doesn't technically count as Afro-Mexican, he is Brazilian-Mexican. Does this article include recent immigrants with African heritage? I also removed the claim that there are 1 million afro-Mexicans living in Mexico, this statistic is just plain absurd, there is no way there can be that many blacks in Mexico and go unnoticed by Mexican society for centuries (1800-2000). I haven't found any source that even makes an attempt as accurately estimating their number. Ocelotl10293 (talk) 04:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is very obvious that many Africans eventually mixed with indigenous, Spanish and other ethnic groups while in Mexico. Many Mexicans as well as many other ethnic groups don’t want to claim having black in them so of course that’s the reason for the error in the census. MzKnight78 (talk) 07:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously you don't know the term Afro Mexican very well. Afro Mexican refers to Mexican citizens who are black or of African descent. Giovani Dos Santos is a Mexican citizen who happens to be Black and of African descent. You got it now? Johnnymurda (talk) 11:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree MzKnight78 (talk) 07:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah I almost forgot to tell you that there are over 2,000,000 Mexicans of African descent. I'll give you the link to prove to you. Blacks in Mexico. Johnnymurda (talk) 11:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a Mexican sub-group, all other ethnicities or nationalities excluded

I see that many vaguely Afro-descended Americans that may or may not have Mexican ancestry are being included in this article. First of all, this article deals only with Afro-Mexicans, meaning Mexicans with full, predominant or at least half African ancestry who are within the Mexican cultural sphere. If there is a mixed race individual living in the United States who happens to have Mexican and African ancestry as a consequence of admixture outside of Mexico or it's culture and does not identify as Mexican, nor speak the language or practice the Mexican culture then this individual is not Afro-Mexican; he/she would be a mixed race American but not a Mexican at all. Also... Recent immigrants from Cuba or the Caribbean living in Mexico do not count as Afro-Mexicans. René Muñoz for example has acted in Mexican Telenovelas and lived in Mexico yet he is not considered Afro-Mexican, but rather, Cuban-Mexican. Only those individuals who identify as Mexicans CULTURALLY and have significant African ancestry classify as Afro-Mexicans. Also included in the Article are historic African descended individuals of Mexican History such as Gaspar Yanga . Ocelotl10293 (talk) 23:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This article is meant to inform on the ethnic group within Mexico, the inclusion of black Mexican-Americans is inappropriate as it goes beyond the scope of the article. This latter group is notable enough to warrant its own article, however it definitely should not be part of this one. A quick google search reveals that for reputable sources (including the ones currently used in the article), the term 'Afro-Mexican' and 'afromexicano' are used to refer specifically to the black population in Mexico. Xochiztli (talk) 19:38, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Intent to remove unreferenced entries

A head's up to interested editors that I will be cleaning up the "Notable Afro-Mexicans" section today. Any entries that are not sourced either in this article, or in the associated biography article will be removed per WP:BLP and WP:V. All of the entries will still be viewable in the article history and can be restored as long as they contain a reliable source. --Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 13:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New edits

The user named Ponyo claims that "Afro Mexican" is a term used to refer to people of mixed African and "Mexican" descent. But the term "Afro Mexican" is just used here on Wikipedia (and very rarely elsewhere) for conveniance to denote blacks in Mexico. And anyways, what is "Mexican descent"? Is it mestizo, Amerindian, or white? People like Shar Jackson are NOT "Afro-Mexicans". The claim that Afro Mexicans are people of mixed African and "Mexican" ancestry is original research not supported by any trusty sources. User Ponyo, please stop putting original research in the Afro-Mexican article. The named "Afro-Mexican" itself was created here (and probably used in the Spanish language with very few frequency, in other words, it's used rarely, if ever).--76.83.14.207 (talk) 00:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did not create this article, as a matter a fact I pruned many of the unsourced additions out of the article. If you have an issue with the term "Afro-Mexican" (which by the way brings back more than 1.8 million hits on Google), then you need to gain consensus to change the article. You cannot simply blank sourced content that you do not agree with. I would suggest you start a request for comment to see how others feel on the topic.--Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 00:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The only sources shown by Ponyo are the ones that say that Shar Jackson, and all those other mixed black and "Mexican" descent people are indeed of mixed African and "Mexican" descent. There is ABSOLUTELY NO source that says that the term "Afro Mexican" is used to refer to people of mixed African and "Mexican" descent. Besides, Alvaro Carrillo, Kalimba, and all those other people I put are Afro-Mexicans (actual people of black African descent from Mexico or raised in Mexico or both). If the term "Afro Mexican" really referred to people of black African/Mexican heritage, then that would be ignorant because Mexican is not a race. The term "Afro Mexican" is used in websites on the Internet to refer to people like Gaspar Yanga, aka blacks in Mexico, it's not used to refer to people like Shar Jackson. I don't have a problem with having the term Afro-Mexican, I have a problem with you saying on the article that the term is used to refer to people of black and "Mexican" ancestry. If it is, then prove it with a RELIABLE source. --76.83.14.207 (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chart of Afro-Mexicans by state

I created a table based on the recent data from INEGI's Encuesta Intercensal 2015, namely the detailed spreadsheet found on INEGI's website:

http://www3.inegi.org.mx/sistemas/tabuladosbasicos/default.aspx?c=33725&s=est

The problem is that I don't know how to cite an Excel spreadsheet, can someone help me with that? The table I created is below:

State	Afro-Mexicans	Partial Afro-Mexicans	Total Afro-descendants
Mexico	1.16%	0.5%	1.66%
Aguascalientes	0.5%	0.35%	0.4%
Baja California	0.22%	0.31%	0.53%
Baja California Sur	1.55%	0.72%	2.27%
Campeche	.39%	.76%	1.15%
Coahuila	.09%	.28%	.37%
Colima	.11%	.47%	.58%
Chiapas	.08%	.33%	.41%
Chihuahua	.08%	.25%	.33%
Distrito Federal	1.8%	.53%	2.33%
Durango	.01%	.64%	.65%
Guanajuato	.03%	.31%	.34%
Guerrero	6.5%	1.11%	7.61%
Hidalgo	.07%	.54%	.61%
Jalisco	.78%	.35%	1.13%
Estado de México	1.88%	.45%	2.33%
Michoacán	.08%	.51%	.59%
Morelos	.42%	.49%	.91%
Nayarit	.06%	.24%	.30%
Nuevo Leon	1.49%	.36%	1.85%
Oaxaca	4.95%	.94%	5.89%
Puebla	.12%	.47%	.59%
Querétaro	.12%	.38%	.50%
Quintana Roo	.56%	.71%	1.27%
San Luis Potosí	.04%	.51%	.55%
Sinaloa	.04%	.24%	.28%
Sonora	.06%	.30%	.36%
Tabasco	.11%	.92%	1.03%
Tamaulipas	.29%	.36%	.65%
Tlaxcala	.06%	.44%	.50%
Veracruz	3.28%	.79%	4.07%
Yucatán	.12%	.89%	1.01%
Zacatecas	.02%	.32%	.34%

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Afro-Mexican

All Mexicans with African ancestors are Afro-Mexicans, being Black or not.--MonFrontieres (talk) 16:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:MonFrontieres, No. Your assertion is Wikipedia:Original research and is not at all supported by the sources. Neither the government nor news sources nor NGOs use your definition. "Afromexicano/Afro-Mexicans" is used specifically to refer to the populace that self-identifies with black African ancestry. Do not base your edits on usage of similar terms in other countries: this article is specific to Mexico. Xochiztli (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Newspeak

This article is riddled with cultural-marxist dogma's terminology, should be revised and all terms like "internalized racism" be replaced Xochiztli (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.174.16.22 (talk) [reply]

Palenques

I’m assuming “palenques” are similar to quilombos in Brazil, but the link takes you to the archaeological site of “Palenque” itself. 2600:1702:2150:1A61:744A:7A09:8FD8:3D45 (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2020 (UTC)SoFlaTom[reply]

Afro-Mexicans as an ideological construct?

There is no doubt Afro-Mexicans existed in the colonial period. The existed in Mexico as they existed in Spain at the time. But their their modern-day existence is questioned by population genetics. Should the fact that their numbers may be exaggerated discussed here? After all, anyone with darkish skin and wavy hair in Mexico may self-identify as Afro-Mexican even though genetically he may have just 10 or 15% African ancestry. Actual Black Mexicans are basically the children or grandchildren of foreigners - normally Caribbean or coastal Central America. The idea that there is a native community of black Mexicans in Mexico is very questionable. I have lived many years in Mexico - the parts where they are supposed to exist, and I have never seen one. There is also the idea that Vicente Guerrero was black. Where does this come from? There is literally no evidence that he was black and the only description we have of him defines him as someone with "tan" skin, light eyes and a hooked nose (Morelos knew him personally and that was his description). We should perhaps consider that Africans in Mexico are more a leftist ideological construct than anything else. --Php2000 (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

African Influence On Mexican Culture

They mention that African cultural contribution wasn’t significant enough to influence Mexican culture. I don’t think this statement should be included in this article because I have made so many connections between the two cultures. I know for a fact that the music played and created in Mexico has some of the same beat counts as many African songs. There is also a lot of African influence on Mexican cuisine. I know the famous Mexican drink named Jamaica is known as bissap in Senegal, sobolo in Ghana, or zobo in Nigeria. This drink is one of the most famous in Mexico because it is usually paired with any dish. It is a sweet hibiscus drink that is usually paired with street food like tacos or quesadillas. I know there are many other traditional plates where we often use many of the same ingredients that are used in African dishes like yucca, plantains, etc. This is very important because Mexicans are often ignoring their African roots and fail to realize that they can see these connections by simply looking at the dishes they serve.--Sekanijoy10 (talk) 05:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New 2020 Numbers

The 2020 Housing Survey in Mexico revealed a larger amount of people identifying as either Afro-Mexican or Afro-descended Mexican. However, this statistic is seemingly not split. Or perhaps it is, I don't speak fluent Spanish so I am unsure of how to proceed with it. It should definitely replace the current chart we have whether it can be divided or not.

https://www.inegi.org.mx/programas/ccpv/2020/tableros/panorama/

- Maketrad

I will update accordingly Maketrad. This article is in terrible shape. I´ll add it to my watch list and incorporate quality sources. --Yanga Veracruz (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bold changes

Yanga Veracruz and Such-change47 this is slowly becoming an edit war, but no discussion on talk has been initiated yet. Yanga Veracruz, I see you've explained most of your major changes and they're policy driven, however now that your edits have been reverted, the honus is on you per the WP:BRD cycle to explain each edit and together find a compromise. Most of your arguments have been policy based, some of which I agree, some did not, but that's consensus building for all of us. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thanks so much for helping Shushugah. Is it an edit war if no further reverts were made? I agree we should have been on the talk page instead, but this user wrote on my wall first and I thought it was easier to reply there. Honestly I have no knowledge or interest in this article at all. It triggered the "likely has problems" filter and appeared to be a good faith section blank, so i reverted. One of hundreds of such reverts. I do not mind what happens here :) - Such-change47 (talk) 22:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree it's not an edit war. There were some reverts earlier, but one was a self revert by Yanga Veracruz and there was another revert by a third editor because of lack of edit messages, however after it was explained (23andme blog not being reliable) it was seemingly accepted. A lot of communication did happen over edit messages, but just wanted to offer opportunity to discuss it here, where additional editors can see it as well. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shushugah, yes there has been no edit war here. In fact, quite the opposite. Such-change47 and I quietly discussed the topic in my talk page without touching the article at all! He tells me he is new at patrolling and wasn´t too sure of his reversal. I therefore was waiting for him to self-revert once he sought advice from one of his mentors.

As for my edits, I personally want to get rid of the subsection at the end on "African influences on Mexico" in its entirety. Most of its content is wrong or made-up and it reduces the quality of the article on the whole. I would like this to be a really good article which can be featured on Wikipedia in the future. There is certainly a lot to cover on the topic. I´m planning on making of this a small hobby of mine in my free time. I see Such-change47 has no real interest in this article, Shushugah do you object to any of my edits or any specific parts of them? I think I understood there was something you disagreed with. Do let me know please! If not I will proceed editing, assuming consent. Yanga Veracruz (talk) 00:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have knowledge or interest in this topic, which I stated just to reiterate I reverted not because I have a conflicting view on the topic matter, but because the onus is on you to edit gradually and explain changes, when removing such a large amount of content. Such-change47 (talk) 00:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yanga Veracruz was blocked as a sockpuppet. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Restructuring the History Section

I'm going to restructure the history section of the article based on time periods: 1) Conquest 2) Early Colonial Era (1530-1590), 3) Mid-Colonial Era (1590-1700), 4) Late Colonial Era (1700-1800), 5) Pre-Independence Period (1800-1821), 6) Independence (1821) All other sections (Catholic Church, Economy etc.) can be converted into standalone sections rather than subsections of the history section since they do not relate to any specific time period. If anyone has any feedback, disagreement or additional ideas, let me know before I start. I will add additional sourced information from a study on the Transatlantic slave trade in Mexico by Mexican Historian Antonio García de León, History Professor and Researcher at the National Autonomous University of Mexico. This is a link to his LinkedIn profile.[1] I would eventually like to include a section on taxation, as Afro-Mexicans were subject to a discriminatory fiscal regime during the colonial period. Yanga Veracruz (talk) 13:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I assume from the lack of responses since the 16th of December than no one following this article has an issue with my proposal so will proceed with a redraft. --Yanga Veracruz (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Modern Mexico

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 5 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jlbettis (article contribs). Peer reviewers: JohnFrum1441, Harelia.

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Diaspora in the United States of America

According to data from 2013, Afro-Mexicans constitute 2% of black immigrants in the USA, which ranks much higher (12th) than many other countries, including those from England and many West Indian + African countries, to say nothing of other European countries which aren't even listed.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/a-rising-share-of-the-u-s-black-population-is-foreign-born/ 2603:6011:A400:259:3065:D186:D5EA:9CAF (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: ARH 371_The TransAtlantic_Cross-Cultural Representations

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Naviarfoster (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Naviarfoster (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]