Talk:BAC/Dassault AFVG

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

Is it reasonably well written?
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B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
What page # for cite 12? I'd move Willox down to the References and adjust the cites accordingly. Consolidate cites 1 and 13. Corrected, actually only one is a quote from Willox, the other being Croup Captain Heron, cited in two instances, cite and bibliographic reference provided.

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

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Is it broad in its coverage?
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One cite needed. Now added.

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I believe I have addressed your comments. Standing by for further instructions. Kyteto (talk) 23:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC) Corrected some sections today, notably lede and BAC P.45 background. Bzuk (talk) 15:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Almost forgot, need the page # from Wood for the specifications.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That has now been added, with help from other editors. Kyteto (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Why is so much information in the notes. Can't it be incorporated in the main text body instead? P. S. Burton (talk) 17:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Matter of choice; most of the information is extraneous and involves "asides" so that is the reason for the use of notes to explain more to the reader, yet not take away from the general narrative. FWiW, see above review. Bzuk (talk) 18:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, two of the notes were actually created in response to a challenge regarding the BAC P.45, another was to link partners that were not involved in the final MRCA project, yet were initially considered, the other two notes were to define terminology. FWiW, other "notes" were actually re-written into the body of the text. Bzuk (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I claim BS on this

"In order to justify the absence of any new strike aircraft following the failure of multiple projects to develop or procure one, Healey decided to entirely dismantle the requirement for one. Thus, in 1968, Prime Minister Harold Wilson, alongside Healey, announced that British troops would be withdrawn in 1971 from major military bases in South East Asia, the Persian Gulf and the Maldives, collectively known as 'East of Suez'.[28][29][25]"

I think this statement is BS. The East of Suez decision was made for a number of reasons, but none of them appear to have anything whatsoever to do with this aircraft.

The first claimed citation states exactly the opposite, that the F111 order would be reduced by 50 (is that all of them?) because there would no longer be a role for them overseas. That is, the aircraft was a victim of the decision, not the other way around. Further, the AFVG appears nowhere in this document.

The second citation is more of same. There are several mentions of cutting various aircraft programs, even in the context of troop withdrawls, but all of these are stating both will be withdrawn for the same underlying economic reasons. The term "strike aircraft" or any reasonable variation appears nowhere I can find, and the only mention of aircraft specifically for the overseas role is one mentioning the need for new transport aircraft.

And finally, the third citation does indeed finally mention AFVG, but in this case says exactly nothing whatsoever about east of suez.

I believe this statement is SYN and should be removed.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]