Talk:57th Rifle Division/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 03:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Looking at this one. —Ed!^(talk) 03:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

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1. It is reasonably well written:

   • "Russian Civil War" -- Any sense of the number of troops when formed? Or maybe is there a typical number of troops of the units of this type when they were formed at the time?

• I have been able to find information on the specific organization of the divisions, but not about their strength. --Look at List of infantry divisions of the Soviet Union 1917–57 and its references. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

1. • Any idea if the troops are experienced or what their level of training is?

• No specific information available easily, though that information would certainly be contained in archival documents. Unfortunately, the only archival documents online are from the 1941–1945 period. Kges1901 (talk) 12:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. • What was Ivan Onufriyev's rank?

• Red Army officers did not have ranks at this time, since, due to the "revolutionary spirit", ranks were considered part of the pre-revolutionary order. Kges1901 (talk) 11:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. • Khalkhin Gol: I note no mention of casualties inflicted or sustained during the maneuvers. Any indication?

• Red Army casualties for specific units are extremely hard to find since Soviet accounts were biased by ideology and downplayed casualties. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, parts of the archives have been opened, but only total figures for Soviet casualties at Khalkhin Gol have been published. Kges1901 (talk) 11:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• In that case, an independent historian's account of how big a unit of this size typically was will do. I also think you should put in the total casualties for all of Khalkhin Gol, and then say that there isn't a breakdown of how many of those were in this unit. Other than that, the rest seems to work. —Ed!^(talk) 15:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. • 75 mm cannon -- please use the {{convert}} for our friends not on the metric system. Same goes for "145 kilometer march" "50 to 60 kilometers of sandy roads" "950–1000 kilometer march"

• Done. Kges1901 (talk) 12:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable:

   Pass No problems there.

2. It is broad in its coverage:

   Any numbers on the size of the unit, casualties, famous people who were part of it or things of that type would be much appreciated.

• The only size numbers I could find were the November 1940 numbers already in the text. No casualty figures available in secondary sources, and no information on famous people who were not commanders. Kges1901 (talk) 12:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy:

   Pass Not seeing any substantive problem there.

2. It is stable:

   • Pass No problems there.

3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate:

   • Any indication the troops in the photos are from this unit?

• No, there were thousands of Soviet troops at Khalkhin Gol for the first photo. The second photo is of a T-34, which the division was not equipped with at any time. Kges1901 (talk) 12:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

1. Other:

   • Nothing substantial in Dab links. Dup links and external links tools show no problems. No provlems on copyvio tool, either.
   • Source spotcheck Refs 9 and 11 line up with what they cite in the article. Other non-english sources accepted in good faith.

On hold Pending a few fixes. —Ed!^(talk) 03:36, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Good work, all, passing for GA now. —Ed!^(talk) 01:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)