Talk:2024 Lahore college rape

Fake News and Misinformation on Social Media

This article is based on a social media campaign against the Punjab Group of Colleges. The news has been duly investigated by the Lahore Police who have declared the news as fake and misinformation. 119.63.135.148 (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@119.63.135.148 The news has extensive coverage from notable news agencies including ARY and DAWN.

Also, the article covers the rape allegation and the aftermath, both are noteworthy. TheShahiScribe (talk) 12:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upon thorough review, it appears that the contents of this article may violate several core Wikipedia guidelines and policies, necessitating its consideration for deletion. Below are the key points supporting this request, aligned with Wikipedia's deletion policies:

1. Verifiability and Reliability of Sources

The article in question has been heavily disputed by multiple reliable sources, which refute the occurrence of the alleged incident:

ASP Shehrbano Naqvi refutes claims, stating "There's no victim" as reported by Geo TV.
The victim's father denies any sexual assault, as detailed in The Express Tribune.

2. Biographies of Living Persons

The article potentially impacts the reputations of living persons by propagating information that has been publicly refuted by official statements and family testimonies, potentially violating BLP policies.

3. Notability and Factual Accuracy

Punjab College and other authorities, including Punjab CM Maryam Nawaz, have dismissed the allegations as fabrications. Links: The Express Tribune and The Current support these claims.
The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) is investigating the spread of disinformation related to this case, as noted by The Nation.

4. Neutral Point of View

Given the controversial nature and the significant disputes regarding the factual basis of the incident, the article may not meet Wikipedia's standards for maintaining a neutral point of view.

Conclusion

In light of these factors, the article appears to contravene Wikipedia's critical policies concerning the verifiability, neutrality, and biographical safety of living persons. The public refutation of the incident by multiple reliable sources and the ongoing investigation into the disinformation surrounding the alleged events cast significant doubt on the article's content validity and notability. Consequently, I propose its deletion or, at minimum, a thorough review and discussion to consider these issues comprehensively.

I look forward to the community's input on this matter. 58.27.212.244 (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone believes the article should be removed, they should nominate it for deletion. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is strictly resulting in misrepresentation of facts. It is mixing many of the pieces of news against the reputable colleges in Lahore. 1. Punjab Group of Colleges, 2. Lahore College for Women University.

None of the news regarding Punjab Group of Colleges and LCWU was factually proven right. It is a masterpiece of misinformation and fake news so far till the date. Also, the authoritative bodies like CM Punjab, administration of Punjab Group of Colleges have responded a number of times that no such event happened. This is also published by DAWN news. Then let this be solved by the authorities. Its better to avoid spreading the news which is just a social media campaign so far.. T.Tabassum (talk) 06:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is reference to the Wikipedia’s verifiability policy I have below mentioned a few links which proves that this news and all the claims are fake. Kindly remove this specific page for clarity and transparency. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability

[Federal Investigation Agency Report via Dawn News] https://www.dawn.com/news/1865944

[CM Punjab Press Brief via The Nation] https://www.nation.com.pk/17-Oct-2024/cm-maryam-clears-mist-on-fake-student-rape-allegations

The information on Wikipedia should be correct and must provide right information. Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 07:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Meet.zohaib.khan the sources you have shared aren't verifying or providing any evidence, they are only reporting on other reports. TheShahiScribe (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an investigation report (not an ordinary report) by the FIA- Federal Investigation Agency, a department by the law enforcement agency of Pakistan. Isn't that enough? Also reported by Dawn News and The Nation, the leading news agencies of Pakistan. Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 08:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Meet.zohaib.khan You haven't shared the actual report or any evidence, only a news agency's impartially stating that FIA has made a report. The article has "fake" in quotations mark for a reason. Many news agencies have also reported on the rape incident which have been added in the sources section. TheShahiScribe (talk) 08:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, TheShahiScribe. I understand your concerns regarding the verification of the sources and the nature of the reports mentioned.

The references I've cited are not merely ordinary news reports but are outcomes of official investigations and statements by recognized authorities, which significantly strengthens their reliability under Wikipedia’s verifiability policy. Specifically:

The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) involvement is a critical element, as their investigations are conducted with a high standard of rigor. The report, as covered by Dawn News, explicitly states the findings and the conclusions drawn by a government body, making it a reliable source.
Additionally, the statement from CM Punjab, as reported by The Nation, further clarifies the stance of the provincial government on the matter. It’s important to note that such statements are significant and are made with a substantial understanding of the investigations’ outcomes.
To address your point about direct evidence, the nature of legal and investigative processes often restricts the immediate public disclosure of detailed evidential documents, which is why news reports and official press releases are vital sources of information in such cases. However, these reports are based on the findings from the investigations conducted by the respective authorities.

In light of these points, the reports from these authoritative sources are instrumental in providing a balanced view and should be considered in reevaluating the content of the article. It's also crucial for ensuring that Wikipedia upholds its standards for a neutral point of view and factual accuracy, especially in cases involving living persons where the potential for reputational damage is significant.

I suggest a detailed review of the article with a focus on incorporating findings from these official reports, and perhaps, a discussion on the Talk page to consider how we can best present this information to ensure it meets Wikipedia’s standards for neutrality and verifiability. 58.27.212.244 (talk) 08:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the positive response. I see the details of the inquiry report in the below mentioned article to further clarify the matter. A detailed review will be a great step to conclude the matter.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1866011/no-student-has-any-evidence-of-alleged-lahore-rape-punjab-ag-tells-lhc Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly recommend that this article should be deleted. Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 10:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This account has clearly been created in the last 24 hours in order to make edits to this page.

This is not an article for deletion webpage, so just saying DELETE is not going to do anything, you know. All of these responses appear AI generated and will not be heeded.

For the record, I strongly recommend that this article should be retained because the protests alone are probably notable at this point.Spiralwidget (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The account is new or old, it can't change the facts. If your account is old then it doesn't give you the right to impose whatever you think. Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 04:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Secondly, the protests are notable but you are trying to blame that on the organization which we can clearly see that these protests were the result of misinformation on the social media. Why the organization should suffer in the form of bad reputation if they didn't do anything wrong. If you will further impose that then we will consider that you are doing this on purpose to harm their image. Meet.zohaib.khan (talk) 04:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete 58.27.212.244 (talk) 10:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete : fake news without any thorough investigation and prove. T.Tabassum (talk) 10:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the substantial evidence refuting the alleged incident, I propose that we consider the Deletion of this article based on several Wikipedia guidelines:

1. Verifiability: The claims made in the article are contradicted by official reports and statements from recognized authorities such as the FIA and CM Punjab, as reported by Dawn News https://www.dawn.com/news/1865944 and The Nation https://www.nation.com.pk/17-Oct-2024/cm-maryam-clears-mist-on-fake-student-rape-allegations, questioning the verifiability of the current content.

2. BLP: The article's content could potentially harm the reputations of living persons based on unverified and disputed claims, violating the BLP policy that demands rigorous standards for sourcing in contentious cases.

3. NPOV: The article may fail to maintain a neutral point of view, as it presents disputed claims without sufficient context from authoritative sources that challenge these claims.

4. Notability: The ongoing disputes and contradictions regarding the facts suggest that the incident may not meet the general notability guideline, which requires significant coverage by reliable sources.

These concerns collectively suggest that the article may not meet Wikipedia's content standards and could merit deletion or significant revision. I recommend opening a discussion for deletion to carefully consider these issues within the community. 58.27.212.244 (talk) 10:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@58.27.212.244 that is a AI generated response that has been spammed before. TheShahiScribe (talk) 10:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your vigilance, @TheShahiScribe. I assure you that my response was crafted to address the specific issues discussed in this case, and not generated by AI. I strive to ensure that all contributions are thoughtful and tailored to the ongoing discussion, aligning with Wikipedia’s standards for accuracy and reliability. My intention is to facilitate a constructive dialogue based on verifiable and authoritative sources to maintain the integrity of the article. If there are specific concerns about the content of my response, I am open to further clarification and discussion to refine our approach. 58.27.212.244 (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not accusing you of anything, but this looks like an AI generated response to a topic about whether a response was AI generated.Spiralwidget (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for sharing your concerns. I understand the importance of ensuring that contributions to Wikipedia are genuine and not generated by AI. Please be assured that my responses are manually written and intended to engage with the community on substantive issues, based on in-depth personal analysis and interpretation of the discussed topics. My aim is to uphold Wikipedia’s commitment to quality and reliability. If specific aspects of my response seem formulaic, I welcome suggestions on how to improve the communication to better fit our community standards. I am here to contribute positively and learn from the feedback of experienced editors like yourself. 58.27.212.244 (talk) 08:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see some newbie SPAs are voting to delete this article, but that’s not how articles are deleted. Please refer to WP:AFDHOWTO to understand the proper process for nominating it for deletion. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]