Talk:2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game

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Review: March 10, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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Did you know... that the 2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game was the first to feature two teams from the Pac-12 Conference?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article was featured on ITN, making it ineligible for DYK.

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... that the 2021 NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship Game was the first to feature two teams from the Pac-12 Conference? Source: The Pac-12 will win a women's basketball national championship in 2021
- ALT1:... that the 2021 NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship Game between Stanford and Arizona was the seventh to feature two teams from the same conference? Source: The Pac-12 will win a women's basketball national championship in 2021

Reviewed: Betty Jane Long

5x expanded by PCN02WPS (talk) and GoWarriors151718 (talk). Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk) at 00:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hi PCN02WPS, unfortunately this article is not eligible for DYK as it has been featured as a bold link in the "In the news" (ITN) section of the main page (it is currently the top item). This is per rule 1d of the DYK rules. On the plus side the article will feature in ITN for a number of days and receive greater prominence than if it had been in DYK alone - Dumelow (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw. I nominated this before the article was nominated at ITN, and I didn't expect such a nomination to come forward. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 19:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this shortly. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 19:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Review added below. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 21:02, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: Just a reminder that this has been on hold for over a week now. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 08:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias Sorry about that - I will make my best effort to get to this later today. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias I think I've addressed everything, I'd appreciate another look. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: Nice work. Only outstanding actionable point for GA is the use of the term "bid", which I don't think a layperson (by which I mean me...) would understand in this context. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 19:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias ah, that is a very fair point. Your guess that it means "invitation" is correct, so I've switched both instances of "bid" to "invitation". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Consider linking "conference" to List of NCAA conferences. Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Add links to Stanford and Arizona on their first mention in the body: in the 'Participants' section. Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "This was the 86th meeting.." Because the last game mentioned before this was their 62–48 meeting at Stanford, this is ambiguous. Clarify that "The championship game was the 86th meeting.." Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "Regardless of the game's result, the winner would have been.." I find the "would have been" odd here. Perhaps "would become"? Reworded. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..with a record of 15–4.." Explain what this means, as it isn't necessarily common terminology outside of North America. Done - explained "15 wins and 4 losses" and put (15-4) in parentheses so it can be used throughout the rest of the article. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..over three ranked teams." Also, what are "ranked teams"? Done - explained. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] What is the "Pac-12 Tournament"? (This seems to be linked on second use, during the Stanford section. Switching the link to the first use would alleviate my concern.) Switched. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] What is an "at-large bid"? Done - explained. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "In the tournament.." What tournament? The Mercado Regional? If so, change to "In that tournament.." Done - clarified. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..to reach their second Sweet Sixteen." What is a "Sweet Sixteen"? The Sweet Sixteen is the more common name for the regional semifinal round, I can clarify that. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Okay, I'm guessing based on subsequent uses of "Elite Eight" and "Final Four" that these are gimmicky names given to each knockout round. I'd recommend a footnote to explain the terms. "Elite Eight" and "Final Four" are the more common names for the regional final (national quarterfinal) and national semifinal rounds, I can clarify those too. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] What does "wire-to-wire" mean? Presumably it would be the same as "start to finish"? Done - you are correct, I have linked that. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Not keen on the single sentence paragraph to end the section. I'd recommend either expanding it to give a little more detail on that game, or merge it in with the prior paragraph. (Applies to both Arizona and Stanford sections.) Merged. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..to their 14th Pac-12 tournament championship." Shouldn't "tournament" be capitalised here, per the previous use? All instances switched to lowercase. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..they were awarded an automatic bid.." What does this mean? This is explained in that sentence - "By virtue of winning their conference tournament". If you win your conference tournament, you automatically get a bid into the NCAA tournament. If this is still unclear I can try to clarify but I'm not sure how I'd do that. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Okay, the main issue here is the use of the word "bid", which I've never seen used in this context. It seems to being used as a synonym of invitation, I guess? Glossary of basketball terms includes "bid thief", but that assumes understanding of "bid" in the first place. Maybe it is a common North American sports term, but I'm not familiar with it at all, and I have to assume that would be the case for the common layperson reading this article. Harrias What are "field goals"? What are "free throws"? For this and above, I'm not going to explain them because they're basic basketball terms but I will link them. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Why isn't Shaina Pellington linked in the 'Game summary' section? Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..cut the Cardinal lead to one Some moments.." Missing punctuation. Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] "..that would put them up by ten before.." No need for "would". Removed that and two other instances. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Link "dunk" to slam dunk. Done. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	No concerns.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Be consistent between "ESPN.com" or "ESPN" as the website title. Remove "\| NCAA.com" from the title for ref #3, ad consider changing the website title to "NCAA". Both above done; as far as I can tell, those below aren't covered by GA criteria so I will try to get to them later. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Add dates of publication for the University of Arizona Athletics refs (#9, 10, 12) Add dates of publication for the Stanford University Athletics refs (#18, 19, 20, 21, 26) Add a date of publication for ref #23. Add a date of publication for ref #25. Add a date of publication and author details for ref #27.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	No concerns.
	2c. it contains no original research.	The time given for the game is "5:00 pm CDT", but the time given in the source is "11:00 PM". Where do you see that? When I click on the "Box score" link, and scroll down to "Game Information", I see "6:00 PM, April 4, 2021" (I'm in Eastern, so 6:00 p.m. here is 5:00 p.m. Central) Okay, I'm in GMT, so that makes sense. But it isn't obvious from the source that it is providing the time in your local time zone. Nevertheless, this falls close to "sky is blue" territory, so I'm not going to push it. Harrias Where are the uniform designs sourced to? Added. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Spotchecks reveal no evidence of copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Consider adding some of the details from the game template into the prose, such as where the game was played, when it was and what time it started. These all appear in the lead, so would be good to include in the body prose. Added location and start time, with ref. PCN02WPS (talk \| contribs) 16:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	No concerns.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	No concerns.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No concerns.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Other than the uniforms, no media present; no issues.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Other than the uniforms, no media present; no issues.
	7. Overall assessment.	Generally a decent article, but it suffers from heavy jargon usage, and a fair few of the references need tidying up. I'll stick it on hold for the time being.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game was the first to feature two teams from the Pac-12 Conference? Source: https://pac-12.com/article/2021/04/02/pac-12-will-win-womens-basketball-national-championship-2021
- ALT1: ~~... that the 2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game between Stanford and Arizona was the seventh to feature two teams from the same conference?~~ Source: https://pac-12.com/article/2021/04/02/pac-12-will-win-womens-basketball-national-championship-2021
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/T. E. Lawrence
- Comment: I think this is fine to do since it's been over a year since it appeared on ITN and I think that I can open a new nomination for this. Also yes, I did steal these hooks from the last nomination.

Improved to Good Article status by PCN02WPS (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 22:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2021 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is done. Primary hook is best. It has been long enough since the article appeared on the front page for this to go to DYK. Looks ready to go! Thriley (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PCN02WPS and Thriley: I agree with Thriley that ALT0 is better than ALT1, but I'm not seeing the claim made in the hook stated explicitly in the article anywhere. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley and Cielquiparle: I've added a mention in the article now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT0 on the basis that the fact has been added to the article, and the claim can be inferred from the source (which lists the previous six finals featuring two teams from the same conference, and none of them are Pac-12. Striking ALT1 on the basis that there were two !votes against it as the less interesting hook. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]