Talk:Anti-Cyrillic protests in Croatia

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Reasons for protests

Reasons for protests section without any sources claim that Independent Democratic Serb Party requested introduction of Cyrillic in Vukovar and that this request caused protests. It also does not offer any source for claim that 2011 Croatian census was disputed, that during census buses with Serbians (Serbs?) massively were coming in Vukovar and some other Croatian settlements in order to be count, although they don't live there. It also claim that main reason for protests is suffering of Vukovar during the Croatian War of Independence from 1991 but does not cite sources even for that claim. Initially I deleted these claims but user Sokac121 return it under explanation that ladimirevcanin is well written on 3 November 2013‎. That same day I put requirements for quotes but in the course of last 4 months they are not added.--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of news reports by Reuters, AFP, etc which identified the reasons for protests, i.e. the suffering of Vukovar during the 1991-95 war. As for IDSP requesting introduction, I don't know whether that is true, but I do know that the process is not automatic per Croatian law - therefore someone in the local government must have requested the introduction of Cyrillic signs based on 2011 census results. This should be researched and clarified. As for census results, they have not been disputed by any official authority and AFAIK nobody ever lodged a formal complaint with the Croatian Bureau of Statistics. This - and the idea that busloads of Serbs had been brought in just for census purposes - boils down to simple demagoguery and rumours espoused by Cyrillic opponents. Hence it should be included in the article in order to explain the context, albeit under the condition these arguments are not given undue weight. Timbouctou (talk) 21:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I agree that thing is quite clear about 1991 war as at least formal explanation for protests, I just wanted to say that even that is not sourced. Ministry of Public Administration (Ministarstvo uprave) is institution that verifies compliance of municipal/town statutes with Minority Law. IDSP local representatives in Vukovar initially even stated that they do not want to interfere in this issue since minority representatives did not adopted that law and it is up to Croatian government to decided to implement its own laws or repeal them (in this period some people encouraged idea of some kind of dialogue among all sides that will result in some kind of compromise). I'm trying to find that interview but it is very hard since I forget where that was. Only later they emphasized that they expect implementation of Croatian laws, but as far as I know they actually didn't openly insist, at least not in initial phase (I guess it was not clear what will be result of all this and they didn't want to be lead to position where they will be or in open conflict with institutions or lose legitimacy, but it is just my guess). In fact, city was the one who asked for an explanation on further action from ministry (http://www.hrv.hr/vijesti/aktualnosti/item/1473-grad-vukovar-ceka-upute-ministarstva-uprave), the same ministry later suspended statute http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Hrvatska/Ministarstvo-uprave-suspendiralo-izmjene-Statuta-Grada-Vukovara .--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There weren't any concertation camps in Serbia.Where did you get that information i could disprove half of this article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.92.160.198 (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Recommended/Suggested name change

Recommend/suggest changing name of this article to: Anti-bilingualism protests in Croatia (2013). Any ideas or input? Quis separabit? 22:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Any ideas. I don't think I should move the article unilaterally. Quis separabit? 00:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, since no one seems to care, I am going bold. Quis separabit? 23:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support it, since bilingualism is too broad a term. These demonstrations were against the use of Serbian Cyrillic, connected to Vukovar (and the Croatian War), and clearly showing Anti-Serb sentiment. If you insist, you need to present why, use WP:RM, and invite the WProjects.--Zoupan 00:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody offered any objections so I went BOLD. The title 2013 Anti-Cyrillic protests in Croatia just doesn't sound right. It sounds like a linguistic dispute, which is not the case, rather than the ethno-political, possibly chauvinistic, grievance that it is. I asked Joy for his opinion but to no avail. Quis separabit? 00:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather support Anti-Cyrillic protests in Croatia, as "2013" is unneeded, see also Category:Linguistic controversies. --Zoupan 00:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

However the dispute was over bilingualism not Cyrillic per se. The dispute is clearly political and tribalistic not linguistic. Quis separabit? 01:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the real issue is the Croatian point of view that the use of Cyrillic is provocative given the history of the town during the Croatian War. Bilingualism is not the right wording, since the dispute is over the use of Cyrillic script and not the status of minority languages.--Zoupan 04:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that is your opinion. And in any event it does not change the fact that the dispute is political NOT linguistic. Quis separabit? 23:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While the dispute indeed is almost exclusively political, the point of contention is Cyrillic script, not bilingualism. For example, these are distinctly not protests against bilingual signs in Italian, and are also not protests against e.g. Croatian radio stations that broadcast in Serbian. GregorB (talk) 08:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

...not to mention the multitude of sources that go with "anti-Cyrillic". GregorB (talk) 08:13, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto.--Zoupan 10:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vukovar town council scrapping Cyrillic

"Vote to Scrap Cyrillic in Vukovar Angers Serbia: Serbia has strongly protested over the decision of the Croatian town of Vukovar to change the town statute and scrap controversial bilingual signs, written in Latin and Serbian Cyrillic". Balkan Insight. 18 August 2015.--Zoupan 22:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"symbol of the Ustashe"?

The second image box in the intro section, the one showing the anty-Cyrillic graffiti, says that it is "...depicting the U symbol of the Ustashe". However, the way U in "Vukovar" is drawn in the graffiti is with a cross over it, and I didn't find any evidence that the Ustashe ever used that image as their symbol. I don't know why that description is there, but it does seem likely to me that whoever wrote that was trying to picture anti-Cyrillic protesters as neo-Nazis or something to that effect. 95.161.227.74 (talk) 08:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]