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W-D-L vs W-L-T

Ok, look, I don't want to fight over this anymore. I'm perfectly fine with the W-D-L format. If it's in a FOREIGN country. In the United States, we have our standings in the W-L-T format. Check every last league in this country, including the MLS and USL websites. Every standings page is in W-L-T. I'm just keeping them in line with what the leagues give me, not to mention there's no confusion when looking at them from an American standpoint. --Otav347 (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We use the international standard in all football articles. If your argument is that we should follow the league, my argument is that we should follow FIFA. ESPNsoccernet uses WDL as does FSC and Setanta. We use Home-Away and nobody seems to mind, so the standings should follow the international standard as well. What we do in other sports doesn't matter, nor does where the league is located, we're not changing the facts of the article, just the format, it makes consistency easier, let's stick with it. -- Grant .Alpaugh 23:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what ESPN, FSC, Setanta, or whoever thinks about whether it should be W-D-L or not. I do care about what this country thinks, and more importantly, what the leagues participating think. I checked, and MLS, USL, NPSL, and even U.S. Soccer use the W-L-T format, and those are more important than ANY sports site. I'm looking for consistency, and if consistency is arguing for the W-L-T format, so be it. --Otav347 (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA is the governing body for the sport. They trump MLS, USL, or US Soccer. So if you want to go that route, be my guest. If you want to argue about "consistency" then every article about football uses W-D-L. Why should the country involved matter? Look at the Grand Theft Auto IV article. It's about a game that takes place in (a fictitious version of) the United States, but the article is in BrE because the game was made by Brits. Same with football. It is not an American game, unlike all of the other North American sports. It's an international game, and we use the international standard. We use Home-Away and W-D-L on WP. -- Grant .Alpaugh 00:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, you've pushed for this on the MLS page as well, and from the looks of it, you were in the minority. Not just the minority, but you were the ONLY one supporting it. I don't really understand your logic here, and I like the points others have made on the MLS discussion page. FIFA uses that standard because they're used to it over in Europe. In America, we do things differently, and that includes different terminology. Even the name of the sport itself is different. It's not called "Major League Football", "United Football Leagues", or "U.S. Football", is it? At this point, I won't change the page back to W-L-T simply because the page doesn't need the turbulence. But this discussion is far from over. I'm not giving up on this. --Otav347 (talk) 00:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vote of Consensus

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