Talk:Barbados 4–2 Grenada

Barbados 4–2 Grenada was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 18, 2012	Good article nominee	Not listed
March 24, 2012	Peer review	Reviewed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 21, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that a football match was won by scoring an own goal on purpose?

Current status: Former good article nominee

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Ambiguous title

The current title could mean Barbados v Grenada at anything in 1994 and is therefore ambiguous. A similar article at GA is 2011 LSU vs. Alabama football game, which is a much better title. AIRcorn (talk) 11:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Australia 31–0 American Samoa is a similar GA which does not have the "football match" disambiguation in the title. What else could Barbados v Grenada in 1994 be? Not a cricket match or rugby game, for example! I just don't think we need to disambiguate the article title, but when the article is reviewed for GA status I will interested to see others' opinion. --TBM10 (talk) 13:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I gave examples of association football matches at the thread at WT:FOOTBALL BCS (Talk) 21:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) Why not a cricket game, that was my first thought? However, after a bit more investigation it appears it might be the standard naming convention for these types of articles. I have therefore opened a thread aw Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football regarding these titles. AIRcorn (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move the pages Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not much happening at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#International football match titles so it is probably best to make an official request.

– All these titles are currently ambiguous and not recognisable to most readers, two points stressed in WP:Article titles. Not terrible concerned on what these are moved to as long as it makes clear that they are describing a game of football. AIRcorn (talk) 00:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I'm sorry I didn't look it up before, but "Team A v Team B (Year)" is pretty much consensus. See these conversations, especially the last one:

BCS (Talk) 03:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Season articles start with the year, the matches should also start with the year. Plus the inclusion of the words "football match" disambiguates the title. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 20:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support (in part) I must admit, it would make a lot more sense than the titles we have at present, which are not particularly illuminating. How is someone supposed to know that it is a football match referred to? I would have assumed that Barbados v Grenada (1994) referred to a cricket match, and that Scotland v Wales (1876) was an article about a rugby union match. Poland v Hungary (1939) might even be taken as an article about a war! While article titles should be concise, they should at least contain enough information to differentiate them from other possible meanings. The current titles don't. However, the consensus appears to be that versus should be expressed as v, not as vs, and I can see no reason to change that at this stage. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with v being used instead of vs. AIRcorn (talk) 12:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1994 Barbados v Grenada football match/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grondemar (talk · contribs) 17:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very amusing and illuminating article! Unfortunately, however, I have to fail this good article review due to sourcing concerns. The article as written is largely sourced to Bleacher Report and snopes.com; I don't consider either a reliable source. There are references to other, more reliable sources, but all they appear to be referencing is that they exist. Other elements such as the prose quality look fine, but since the article content may significantly change following the review and incorporation of citations of reliable sources, a more complete review of the sources is not possible at this time.

I would also recommend the following:

Add more on the response to the game in the lead.
Is there any explanation why the tournament organizers adopted the strange golden-goal rule?
The length of the article could be expanded upon as well. Review of reliable sources may provide additional content that could be integrated.
Check to make sure linking to that YouTube video is not linking to a copyright violation, which is not permitted.

Thanks, –Grondemar 17:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The problem, though, is that I am not sure that there are reliable sources that cover this subject. Bleacher Report and Snopes were the best I could find. I thought that maybe Snopes was reliable because it provided references... Oh well. I will do your suggestions soon. This was my first Good Article Nomination, by the way. But it sure won't be my last. Thanks, BCS (Talk) 19:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Where can I find the video of the match between Granada and Barbados in 1994? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.154.56.148 (talk) 12:39, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Technical detail - time

The lead paragraph of the article says that "for the last 7 minutes of the match, Grenada was trying to score ..."

From the body, it appears that Grenada scored to get within a goal in the 83rd minute and Barbados scored an own goal to tie the score in the 87th minute. As noted in the article, this would be the moment where Grenada would begin to benefit from scoring an own goal. So this situation would have prevailed from that moment until the end of the second half. The amount of "stoppage time" does not appear to be specified.

It is possible that either the "last 7 minutes" in the lead paragraph is an error, or it includes several minutes of stoppage time. But I am not sure. I would correct this description but I am not clear on the facts.

Also, technically the unusual situation did not occur for the last X minutes "of the match," but the last X minutes before extra time.

Petermgiles (talk) 12:56, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Legend

I'm not sure how this should be reworded but it's incorrect to say this game became "something of an urban legend". An urban legend refers to something that didn't actually take place, but this match did in fact occur. The source that this sentence links to also says it isn't an urban legend (it states that it might sound like an urban legend but isn't because it actually happened). 5.133.47.155 (talk) 15:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]