Talk:WrestleMania 25

Proof that its the 25 Wrestlemania and not the 24

take a look at http://www.wwe.com/ and http://dictionary.reference.com/ and it will tell you that its Wrestlemania 25 25 year of Wrestlemania not 24 like so people have flase been saying although anyone that went to school know these —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 22:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Are yoy still not understanding this? (Geez, it's like talking to a brick wall). NO ONE IS SAYING THIS IS THE 24TH WRESTLEMANIA. If you bother to look up the definition of "anniversary" you would know this. What you are trying to say is that the same day 2 people get married is their first anniversary ("Wow honey, we just got married today and it's already our first anniversary!"). TJ Spyke 22:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

WOW do you need help understanding what a anniversary is I know what it is but hey you made wrestlemaina so we all wrong and you guys are right since you are the owner of WWE oh wait your not so could it be possible your wrong and guess what you are Not that hard to understand it 2009 its been 25 year since Vince made the PPV —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 22:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I do know what an anniversary is. You keep making it clear that you don't. WWE is free to market it that way and we note it, but we also note how it's not the 25th anniversary (it has NOT been 25 years since the first WrestleMania. It's like 3rd grade math= 2009-1985=24.) Do you intend to work on the article or are you just hear to try and invent a new definition for "anniversary"? TJ Spyke 22:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Math not your strong point is it because you are wrong and see Im intend to fix it back to normal making it 25 anniversary since its been 25 years of Wrestlemania and since Wikipedia is 100 percent wrong I have every right to fix it [[User:Supermike|Supermike] (talk) 1 —Preceding undated comment added 22:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC).

Gosh. WrestleMania I was not the anniversary of itself, WrestleMania II was the first anniversary of WrestleMania I.₮RUCӨ 22:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Or to put it another way: we start on the year zero. Year one is the first anniversary, year two is the second anniversary. There was no WrestleMania Zero, there was only WrestleMania I. Thus WrestleMania 2 is the first anniversary of WrestleMania. Tony2Times (talk) 03:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Even a three year old knows this. Supermike just forget it plz--Falegas (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrestlemania 2 was not the first anniversary they did not take place on the same day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.110.223 (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's a possible explanation....When Hulk Hogan defeated The Iron Sheik to win the WWF World Title it kicked off a new era in professional wrestling. Thus "Wrestlemania" in this case may not be referring to the actual PPV event, but rather a more abstract idea such as "WWF Attitude". In early 1985 Hogan had been World Champion for a year or so, and the first Wrestlemania PPV was a celebration of one year of The Wrestlemania Era. Most wrestling historians(such as they are) tend to mark wrestling as pre- or post- Hogan's win over Sheik. It was probably the single biggest turning point in pro wrestling history. In the same way that the "Austin 3:16 says I just kicked your ass" speech began a new era, so did early 1984...the Wreslemania era. Of course this is pure speculation, and may be complete bs on my part... 41.245.157.51 (talk) 07:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but we are talking about the event WrestleMania not the "era".--Best, ₮RUCӨ 15:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

You're just being stupid now. This is the 24th anniiversary; WWE is wrong, forget it.--Falegas (talk) 17:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

well We have 10 website that prove that its the 25 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 20:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

10 websites? Really? Can you list them all. Please make sure they are "reliable".--Best, ₮RUCӨ 20:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Most likely these websites are simply including the tagline without giving much thought to wheteher or not it is true or not. I think this would be a textbook example of applying Wikipedia:Use common sense since as demosterated it is physically impossble for this to be the 25th anavaersary meaning there is no logical reason for use to do so. --76.66.180.188 (talk) 06:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear God, this is the dumbest discussion we are having at the moment and that includes what we should name Christian's article. Spikemike or supermike whatever your name is, go up to your parents and ask them how long they have been married. What year they were married, and which anniversary they just celebrated and will. An anniversary is the celebration of a passed event. WWE are trying to re-write history. They figure it is more convenient to promote the 25th wrestlemania as an anniversary than doing it with wrestlemania 26 which wouldn't work in poor Vince's mind. WrestleMania 25 is the 25th WrestleMania, but not the 25th Anniversary of said event.--WillC 21:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I am the one who suggested the "25 years since Hogan..." I am not Supermike. Obviously it is the 24th anniversary, not the 25th. Someone asked Jim Ross about this, and he said "It's easier to market it this way". As for Mike, what year were you born? On your next birthday how old will you turn? Why? Maybe WWE did this deliberately to get people to talk about the event? Since nobody is talking about seeing HHH-Orton for the millionth time....41.245.157.51 (talk) 08:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

PS. This does rather show up the flaws with wikipedia however. WWE themselves refer to it as the "25th Anniversary", loads of websites are referring to it as such, and people like supermike can link/source etc to dozens of respected and "Reliable" sources that use the "25th anniversary" tag. However, it obviously isn't the 25th anniversary. But are there any reliable sources as per WP:OR that could be included saying that it's NOT the "25th anniversary"? Remember, wikipedia is about sources, not facts! In this case, using wikipedia regulations to the detail, supermike wins, even though as anyone can work out by themselves, it's the 24th anniversary. But where is your reliable source? 41.245.157.51 (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

"Remember, wikipedia is about sources, not facts!" uh, no. You have that backwards. In this case we use common sense, No sources are needed. It is obvisously the 24th anniversay, no matter what anyone says. If WWE.com says cows are falling from the sky the day of WrestleMania and event will be held back because of it, and we look outside and see they are no cows falling, are we still supposed to say that falling cows are holding up the event? No, we state the event is being delayed for unknown reasons, since we can see no cows are falling from the sky; Vince or Joey Styles is just drunk. Now that might have been a bad senerio but you get the picture.--WillC 10:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure that many people (myself included) ahve used that logic, only to be warned, or even blocked, when using common sense. And the person always says something to the effect of "Where is your source that states x?" There are numerous articles on wikipedia that state blatant bs, yet because someone has a link to a supposedly "Reliable" website, it stands as is. So you are now saying that common sense and logic is the final decider. Clearly that is not the case in general. Eg. the "bucket" example. A real discussion took place to the effect of this...

Person 1: If I told you I had a bucket, and I showed you the bucket, with the sales receipt, surely that would be sufficient to prove I had a bucket?

Wiki admin: NO! You would still need a reliable source stating that you had a bucket!

You can't have it both ways! Any fool can work out that WM XXV is the 24th anniversary of Wrestlemania, but wiki rules, re: sources and original research and what they are. You still have not provided a reliable source. Of course you are right, but the rules need to be uniform. 41.245.157.51 (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Use common sense.--WillC 11:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

To the IP, I would like to point out that the article already states that WWE is promoting it as the 25th anniversary (even though it's false). TJ Spyke 16:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

There is also WP:IAR. Rules don't have to be consistant if ignoring them help the enclopedia and this seems like a clear case to apply this. --76.69.170.192 (talk) 20:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is false, but where is your SOURCE that says it's false? Also, who decides that this is a clear case for IAR, while another page may not be? I know this is the 24th anniversary, yet there does not appear to be a RELIABLE SOURCE to that effect. Thus, it counts as OR or POV in your part. Just saying. 41.245.174.79 (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't. It doesn't violate anything. You see the president get shot, and you don't have a source from the internet yet. You place in he just got shot in his article. It isn't original research since it is common sense he just got shot. It is common sense it is the 24th anniversary. You would have to be completely retarded and not know two plus two is four to not see that. No source is needed, we use common sense which means we are not violating OR.--WillC 16:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to say something considering this is easily the DUMBEST thing I've ever read in my entire life. And of course, I will be reiterating what so many people have said above, but it must be said again to get through to people who don't get it. An anniversary celebrates an entire year since the first time an event happened. Wrestlemania I was not an anniversary. It was the first Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania II is the FIRST ANNIVERSARY of Wrestlemania, meaning one year since the inaugural Wrestlemania. If two people get married, their wedding day is not their 1st Anniversary, that comes a year later to celebrate the FIRST day of marriage. Wrestlemania's first anniversary was the year after the first Wrestlemania, i.e. Wrestlemania II. Sources are not needed. This is logic. If you don't get it by now, you clearly have some sort of learning disorder or something. Dahumorist (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

This is going in circles. I never said this WAS the 25h Anniversary. I merely asked how and why you can decide when the "common sense" card can be played. Is it only for entertainment things like pro wrestling? CAn i go and edit political articles and then say "It's common sense"? I know this can't possibly be the 25th anniversary this year, I just want to know where the line is for "common sense". And can people use this discussion page and what you said as a precedent if they want to add "common sense" to other wikipedia articles? 41.245.185.66 (talk) 06:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous. I mean people actually wasting their time to discuss such a nonsensical thing is just beyond me. I know its a free country and all that and people have the right to choose how they want to spend their time, but this is taking it too far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.232.66 (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS POINTLESS. LEAVE IT--Falegas (talk) 19:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Here a idea since its not the 24 nor the 25 Wrestlemania just take the whole thing out and just say its Wrestlemania —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 01:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree just take out that its the 24th anniversary of Wrestlmaina all it done is screw everything up and make everything completed the best thing to do is go bye what WWE is doing after all its their PPV [[User:Supermike|Supermike] (talk) 1 —Preceding undated comment added 01:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC).

Supermike, you do realize that your edits are recorded? So we know your are just agreeing with yourself (likely to try and get a fake consensus). TJ Spyke 02:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

This coming from a Guy who can't escape that Wrestlemaina 25 is really Wrestlemaina 25 everyone one who a real wrestling fan know these even JR know these — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs)

Guess I shouldn't be surprised that a troll like you can't even get basic facts straight. I have NEVER called this the 24th WrestleMania, I have said it's the 24th anniversary of WrestleMania (which you think it wrong since you don't know the definition of "anniversary"). TJ Spyke 02:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Okay guys, lets get our facts straight. For the ones who have a brain, it is all agreed it is the 24th anninversary. Also speaking to ones with brains, it is also the 25th WrestleMania. Alright now that is settled. This discussion is useless since we should all use the common sense God gave us and understand, this section is completely dumb and useless.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 02:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You know what TJ spyke I know what a anniversary I also know what Slander is which is what these article is full with [[User:Supermike|Supermike] (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC).

Wrong on both accounts. You have said many times that you think this is the actual 25th anniversary of WrestleMania. Also, there is no slander in the article (slander requires that the statement be false. Since we are only stating that this is actually the 24th anniversary, which is factually CORRECT, it is not slander). TJ Spyke 03:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Because it is I mean there no proof that its not and these is Slander there so much slander in these article that Im its sickly

25 diva battle Royal (2)

Since we don't which former WWE diva will appear are we going to wait till the PPV to put them name in but from my understanding we won't know till then anyways Mike Mike 22:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

For a minute I thought this was TJ! Yes we will wait until then.--₮RUCӨ 22:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, we do know both Melina and Maryse will be in (the wwe.com preview says both will be in). Although it may not be official, Sunny was this weeks guest on Pro Wrestling Report (which airs live on ESPN Radio every week right after Raw ends) and said she will be in the match. TJ Spyke 22:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Can someone make a column which lists the participants in the battle royal? Melina and Maryse have already been confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.187.18 (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I've seen vignettes featuring Gail Kim, so she's probably in it--Falegas (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That is just speculation though, which is not what this page is for. TJ Spyke 20:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

She was on the graphic tonight on Raw, she is in it.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 07:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Heres the list of all of the divas that were confirmed in the graphic last night:

• WWE Women’s champion Melina
• WWE Diva’s champion Maryse
• Mickie James
• Gail Kim
• Michelle McCool
• The Bella Twins
• Alicia Fox
• Kelly Kelly
• Maria
• Eve Torres
• Katie Lea Burchill
• Beth Phoenix
• Layla El
• Rosa Mendes
• Candice Michelle
• Natalya Neidhart
• Jillian Hall
• Tiffany

Add them to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.187.18 (talk) 11:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Do it yourself. And where is your source? 41.245.185.66 (talk) 13:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

How do I add them to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.187.18 (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The Army National Guard

Is the official sponsor of RassleMania this year —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.77.104 (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

hey every1. ok so i kno 2 more matches: rey mysterio vs. JBL for intercontinental championship and Y2J vs the wwe legends —Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffCena3 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Colons vs. The Dirt Sheet to be the first WWE Unified Tag Team Champions. (Announced on ECW March 17,2009 (Taped on March 16,2009)). They will both put there titles on the line. 72.155.251.126 (talk) 02:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)