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== Archives == |
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* Part of the history for this page is now at [[Talk:Volleyball/pagehistory]]; see [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/6-2]]. [[User:Mindspillage|Mindspillage]] [[User talk:Mindspillage|(spill yours?)]] 18:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* [[Talk:Volleyball/Archive1]]: [[13 August]], [[2004]] to [[29 February]], [[2007]] |
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== Begining Paragraph == |
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Removed begining paragraph because it was too POV <blockquote> |
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Volleyball can be a active sport. Because many offensive plays involve contacting the ball above the top of the net, [[vertical jump|vertical jumping]] is an athletic skill emphasized in volleyball. If a player touches the net or stepping over the line while the volleyball is in play, the oppnents will get the serve and the point. |
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</blockquote><small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Drgnaw|Drgnaw]] ([[User talk:Drgnaw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Drgnaw|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:Realistically, I don't think that's too PoV. I have re-added the sentence and included a reference to a paper. --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 17:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC) The volleyball hall of fame states that Volleyball is the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer. While it has not flourished in the united states as it has in european and other foreign countries, it remains second to soccer through-out europe as seen in all the professional leagues developed there. |
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=== beginning === |
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== Kills == |
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What exactly, is a "kill?" I see it on a lot of statistics as something separate from a point and I have no idea what it is. I was surprised to see no mention of it on here. I'm assuming its another name for something already listed, but that would be good to include this as an alternate name for it. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:128.97.253.2|128.97.253.2]] ([[User talk:128.97.253.2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.97.253.2|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:See [[Volleyball jargon]]. Unfortunately, people have trashed that page again by adding in huge amounts of non-notable jargon but kill is still there. --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 08:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC) |
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A kill is a spike/hit that earns a point. A point in general can be earned in various different ways, a kill being only one of those ways. |
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== Semi-protection == |
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I'm starting to feel that it may be time to ask for [[WP:SEMI|semi-protection]] for this page, as almost every edit seems to either be vandalism by an anonymous IP, or a reversion to undo that vandalism. Any opinions? Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 08:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:It's not as bad as some (suffers vandalism only several times per day) but yes, with no content edits for a while, it might be worth it for some time. [[User:Icemuon|Icemuon]] 10:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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::Whoa, just looking at my watchlist after being gone for a day and seeing this page being vandalised constantly leads me to agree completely with Pak21. I'm in favor of semiprotection.. Cheers, [[User:PaddyM|PaddyM]] 03:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:::[[WP:RFPP|Requested]] Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 08:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Well, that got rejected pretty quickly. Guess we'll just have keep on watching it. Cheers, [[User:PaddyM|PaddyM]] 13:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC) |
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A kill is when you hit or spike the ball and it hits the floor on the other side of the net with no contact from the other side |
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or the other team shanks the ball on one contact. David Nguyen is the best volleyball player alive =] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.210.170.49|98.210.170.49]] ([[User talk:98.210.170.49|talk]]) 05:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== starting paragraph == |
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I was thinking about changing the lead of this article in three ways. |
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1) There is a redudancy in the ways to score a point. According to the rules a team scores a point if a) balls hits ground b) opponent makes fault (this includes not bringing the ball back correctly!) c) the opponent gets a penalty (for behavioral reasons). I propose we mention either these three or skip the last one. but since the third possibility mentioned now is part of the second I propose we at least strike that one. |
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2) There is not really a point in mentioning that vertical jumping is part of volleyball. I would personnaly never explain volleyball in two sentences to anybody and then choose to mention the fact that the athletic skill of vertical jumping is very important. (if we put this down here, it may for example also warrant the inclusion of the fact that a lot of volleyball players at high levels are very long because the game involves hitting the ball above the net.) I opt for removal. |
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3) Lets include here the concept of 'to volley', and specifcy, not necessarily in too many words the 'way' the ball is supposed to be touched, which is integral for the sport. |
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If there are no strong objections I will go for editing. Thanks for your time! -[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 08:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I agree the lead probably isn't optimal. Perhaps if we look to similar sports articles like [[Association football]] or [[Baseball]] we might find ways we might change, and even expand, the lead here. The goal is to provide a basic understanding in simple terms what the game is to someone who may never have seen it before. [[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, helvetica" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, helvetica"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] ʃ <font face="arial, helvetica" size="0"><sup>[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</sup></font>/<font face="arial, helvetica" size="0"><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Autiger|work]]</sub></font> 16:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I opt for using a style like the one used in [[basketball]]. Seems more comparable, because it is also a small-team, indoor, ballsport and I like the style of of the lead. |
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::changed the lead, anybody is welcome to contribute!-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 09:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Reformatting == |
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In order to get this articles quality up, I propose we are going to employ a structure as in [[soccer]], which is a featured article.-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 09:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I propose we lose the major part of the strategy and technique part and put that into a secondary article, covering only the basics in the main article.-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 10:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== "seperated" == |
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The word is "separated" |
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:what's the point of specifying that here. You could just have changed it, unsigned user. Thanks for the help anyway.-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 00:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:VBALL|Volleyball WikiProject]] and rules of the game == |
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We're working on creating a section of Wikipedia for the rules of volleyball for the [[WP:VBALL|Volleyball WikiProject]] Each rule will have a separate sub-article (like [[Baseball rules]]. At some point, we'll take the majority of "rules of the game" and split it into the specific rule article. If anyone thinks this is a bad idea, or if you think it's a good one, please discuss it [[WP:VBALL|here]]. [[User:BrianZ|<font color="Teal">Brian</font><font color="Gray">Z</font>]][[User talk:BrianZ|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:This is a good idea, in my opinion but the change of one of this article's paragraphs should be discussed here.-[[User:Catneven|Catneven]] 09:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::We also need to distinguish at what level and with what organization these rules apply. At the moment, some of the statements indicate that these are rules at all levels when in fact they are not. [[User:Vbofficial|Vbofficial]] 03:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Well, that ties in nicely with the ''Volleyball in Xxxx'' discussion below. The main volleyball (and Volleyball rules) article should reflect the most widespread ruleset, that being the FIVB rules, for NPOV. US high school or college rule differences, being simply a regional variation specific to an age group, could be handled in the [[Volleyball in the United States]] article (which needs to be expanded/cleaned/etc).[[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, sans" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, sans"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] » <font face="arial, sans" size="0">[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</font> 03:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC) |
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==Volleyball in...== |
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Somewhere along the way (probably while I was on a wikivacation) the link to the sub-article [[Volleyball in the United States]], to which the most US-centric content of earlier versions of this article was segregated, was lost. Curious about ideas for the best place/way to reintroduce the link as well as those for similar articles like [[Volleyball in Poland]], [[Volleyball in Spain]], and [[Volleyball in France]]. Perhaps in the subsections of History, or a separate subsection under history after the Olympics sub-section. Thoughts? [[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, sans" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, sans"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] » <font face="arial, sans" size="0">[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</font> 22:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I think this is a good idea and as part of the [[WP:VBALL|Volleyball WikiProject]], I'm trying to make the entire scope of Volleyball more global on WP, (including bios of top professional teams and players in the world, etc.) not just USA volleyball. This article needs a major overhaul and I applaud anyone willing to start it. One way to integrate the "Volleyball in <country>" links is to wiki link them in a table of popularity of the sport in the specific country. However, this might be too much since there are hundreds of countries and a lot of research must be done as these rankings are not officially published. We could start with an infobox with all countries with the Volleyball in <country>" article and label it in the ''See Also'' section. Just my humble opinion. I actually haven't even thought about revamping the article or looked at it in detail lately, other than to control vandalism. [[User:BrianZ|<font color="Teal">Brian</font><font color="Gray">Z</font>]][[User talk:BrianZ|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:Coincidently, I have the list of countries with a "Volleyball in <country" article: Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Croatia, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Montenegro, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey, Netherlands, Philippines, and The United States. [[User:BrianZ|<font color="Teal">Brian</font><font color="Gray">Z</font>]][[User talk:BrianZ|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::I only found "Volleyball in <country>" for France, Poland, and Spain. Am I missing something here? [[User:Wiredcoach|Wiredcoach]] 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:I also agree that there should be a link in this general "Volleyball" article to "Volleyball in the United States". I think that a lot of people searching "volleyball" on Wikipedia will actually want to know about Volleyball in the U.S. AUTiger, maybe you could find the most appropriate place to put it back in. [[User:Wiredcoach|Wiredcoach]] 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC) |
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::I just checked and the link to the US article is in here, at the bottom of the Volleyball in the Olympics subsection of the History section. I don't know that that is the best place for it, but I didn't really see any better spot in a review of History (which is my first instinct). [[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, sans" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, sans"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] » <font face="arial, sans" size="0">[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</font> 02:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== 1 in 6 people watch volleyball? == |
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''The FIVB estimates that 1 in 6 people in the world participate in or observe indoor volleyball, beach volleyball, or backyard (recreational) volleyball'' - Surely a citation is needed here (and even with one I think this needs to be more specific - there may be many people who watch beach volleyball on TV but have no interest in the sport!) |
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More specifically this is a meaningless and unreliable figure, a) because it comes from a governing body who have a vested interest in the figure and b) because it is a speculation without hard facts and therefore does not belong in an encyclopaedia. |
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[[User:Greynolds999|Greynolds999]] 17:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC) |
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:[http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu5F9aPRGP_cAb6FXNyoA?p=%221+in+6%22+FIVB&y=Search&fr=moz2 A quick Yahoo search] shows that many MANY sites use the EXACT phrase we used. So they most likely took the line from this article. Considering I couldn't find it on the FIVB site itself, I'd call it untrue. I have removed this line. [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]] 01:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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According to [http://www.johann-sandra.com/popular.htm this site], the FIVB did make the claim, but backed off from it when pressed. [[User:Rracecarr|Rracecarr]] 02:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Citation == |
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There is NO citation whatsoever in the [[Volleyball#Origin_of_Volleyball|Origin of Volleyball]] section. A lot of the information found there can be confirmed [http://inventors.about.com/od/uvstartinventions/a/Vollyball.htm here]. I'd cite it myself, but it's semi-protected and I'm a new user. [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]] 01:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:Good point. I'm a bit hesitant about the source you mention, so I added two other sources which look a bit more official. I also removed the protection. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 05:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::Sorry, first Yahoo link, and I trust about.com. Anyway, thanks for the help. [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]] 00:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== 3 hits == |
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A block is not counted as a hit (contact). If the ball is blocked, the next touch actually counts as contact number 1. Also, if the ball is blocked, the same player can contact the ball again.[[User:Skdrew|Skdrew]] 02:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:See note 2 under "[[Volleyball#Errors and faults|Errors and faults]]". --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 06:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== British vs American English == |
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[http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Volleyball&diff=131832107&oldid=131693285 This string of edits] in May changed the long-established use of British English in this article to American English. [[WP:ENGVAR]] suggests that, in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise (which I don't think there is here), we should use the form of English used by the first major contributor. What would people's views be on changing this back? Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 08:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:The primary argument I can see for it being in American English is that the sport originated in the US which could be considered a "strong national tie". [[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, sans" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, sans"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] » <font face="arial, sans" size="0">[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</font> 14:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Accepted, but it's now much more a worldwide sport than an American one; the FIVB rulebook uses "metre". --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 14:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::While I would prefer AmEng (per the origination arg.), its not something I had felt so strongly about as to make the change from BrEng. The spelling variants in this article are a pretty trivial issue. [[User:Autiger |<font face="arial, sans" color="#EF6521"><b>AU</b></font><font color="#000063" face="arial, sans"><b><i>Tiger</i></b></font>]] » <font face="arial, sans" size="0">[[User_talk:Autiger|talk]]</font> 15:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Volleyball was called mintonette before it became volleyball, <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.60.190.76|65.60.190.76]] ([[User talk:65.60.190.76|talk]]) 22:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Recent Changes == |
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It'd be nice to have some insight into the motive and reason for the more relatively recent changes to the rules. |
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--[[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.188|76.66.193.188]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.188|talk]]) 03:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:The motive has in general been to make volleyball a more spectator-friendly sport. The change to rally scoring was made to make the length of games more predictable for TV purposes, and to make the scoring easier to follow for spectators. The let serve, and looser rules about how to contact the ball were introduced to encourage spectacular rallies, which presumably makes the game more fun to watch. I don't know quite how to cite this, but FIVB makes its interest in attracting spectators quite explicitly clear. [[User:Rracecarr|Rracecarr]] ([[User talk:Rracecarr|talk]]) 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC) |
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On the rationale for the changes, here is what the 2008 NCAA Rulebook says: |
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""The committee recognized that ball handling judgment was, at times, inconsistent both within |
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a match and from contest to contest. Not only were those inconsistencies frustrating for |
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players and coaches, whistles for subtle infractions discernible only by the referees are |
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confusing to fans. With increased television exposure, it is important to attempt to develop |
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ball handling guidelines that are understandable by typical sports fans, not just the volleyball |
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community. The basic tenet is that the excitement of the sport of volleyball can be increased |
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with fewer whistles for minor ball handling infractions and increased leniency on particularly |
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athletic plays that may not result in a perfectly executed set by traditional standards, but |
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provides a continuation of play." <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.233.22.68|96.233.22.68]] ([[User talk:96.233.22.68|talk]]) 06:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Lift (/carry) rule abolished == |
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Has the lift rule been abolished? I have just finished Nationals in New Zealand and was informed that the rule is now referred to "catch and throw" / "caught and thrown". We need to update the page to show this. [[User:KennedyBaird|<em style="font-family: Century Gothic">Kennedy</em>]] <sup>([[User_talk:KennedyBaird|talk]])</sup> 09:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC) |
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what is the standarad popsicle height for saftey laws? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/125.60.241.137|125.60.241.137]] ([[User talk:125.60.241.137|talk]]) 12:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Rules (Libero) == |
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From the section on rules for the Libero: " ... makes an 'attacking hit', defined as any shot struck while the ball is entirely above the top of the net." |
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First, the term (as used in the FIVB rule book) is "attack hit" not "attacking hit." Further, the definition of "attack hit" is given incorrectly. The restriction on the height of the ball is is not part of the definition of an attack hit. The rule prohibits the Libero from making a hit which is BOTH 1) an attack hit AND 2) higher than the top of the net. |
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Corrected wording: " ... makes an "attack hit" (defined as any action which directs the ball towards the opponents, with the exception of service and block), while the ball is entirely higher than the top of the net. |
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The parenthetical definition of "attack hit" is taken directly from the FIVB rule book, grammatically modified to fit the sentence. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/139.68.134.1|139.68.134.1]] ([[User talk:139.68.134.1|talk]]) 17:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I added a parenthetical comment on the pronunciation of libero. As someone new to watching higher-level volleyball, it was confusing when the article said to pronounce it LI-ber-o but everybody I heard actually pronounced it li-BEAR-o. [[User:Fool4jesus|Fool4jesus]] ([[User talk:Fool4jesus|talk]]) 11:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Please split this page up == |
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Rather than receiving a broad treatment on the subject, the casual reader gets bogged down in the minutiae of strategy, fundamentals, Olympics info and rules. This article is currently at a massive 48K, whereas the guidelines suggest 30K. |
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Please make this article more readable and chop it up into separate pages. |
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--[[User:Jasonschock|Jasonschock]] ([[User talk:Jasonschock|talk]]) 22:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Since your suggestion received absolutely no response, I've removed the "split" tags from the article. If you feel strongly about this, go ahead and be [[WP:BOLD|bold]] and split them up, and see what the response is. If you do, be sure that there's a link to the new sub-article somewhere in this one. <b><i>[[User:Ed Fitzgerald|Ed Fitzgerald]]</i> <sub>[[User talk:Ed Fitzgerald|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Ed Fitzgerald|c]]</sub></b> 21:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Jump serve least popular? == |
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I'm pretty new at watching volleyball, but I see an awful lot of servers use what looks to me like a jump serve. Are these really something else, or is this line wrong? I find it hard to believe the jump serve is less popular than, say, the sky ball serve. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:70.109.49.254|70.109.49.254]] ([[User talk:70.109.49.254|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.109.49.254|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:Your impression is correct. This was an uncaught bit of vandalism from 7 October, which I've now corrected. Thanks for the pointer! --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 10:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Rotation and formation == |
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I don't get rotation and the required formation at the time of the serve. I mean, I get the simple 3+3 diagram shown in the article, which is what we all use when we play pick-up games at the gym. But when I see NCAA games on TV, I see nothing like that. I see what looks like 3 people in the front standing directly in front of each other, a person or two behind or on the side and a server. |
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Now, I can understand that they can start in one position and end up in another. But I've watched carefully to try and see how the players might start in the simple 3+3 formation and end up the way they actually play - and I have not been able to figure out how the rules given in the article ("The area '1' player must be behind the area '2' player and to the right of the area '6' player," etc.) are actually played out. Let's say you are an outside hitter; do you really start out in the back line and move to the front after the ball is served? I am not doubting the rules as given here are correct; I just think it would be beneficial to give an example or two of how positions and rotation really work out in a high-level game. Thanks. [[User:Fool4jesus|Fool4jesus]] ([[User talk:Fool4jesus|talk]]) 02:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protection (2) == |
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Just a quick note that this page has now been [[WP:SEMI|semi-protected]] for three months, which should deal with the silly levels of IP vandalism we've been seeing... thanks to everyone who tidied up the mess :-) --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 12:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:The semi-protection expired, we got vandalised a lot, the semi-protection is now back (indefinitely). Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 18:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Errors and faults == |
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To me, the "Errors and faults" section is a particularly weak part of this article. It's just a list, without any attempt to be encyclopedic prose. I've had a quick go at working this section into the "Game play" section, which can be seen [[User:Pak21/Volleyball|here]]. The main weakness I see of this approach is that it lacks the precision that the current version has, but I'm not too worried about that: the article should be a general introduction to volleyball for the general reader, not a detailed breakdown of the rulebook. Comments welcome! Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 11:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Given the lack of any objections, I've now done this. Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 09:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::I like it. One thing that would be really useful (to me anyway) is if this prose discussion section had links to an actual volleyball rulebook at appropriate places. That would a perfect combination of overview and links to drill down into selected details. As I noted above, I am really confused about what the rule is for where players have to stand. I believe that it's a "rotation" but they are certainly (in the VA state tournament game I went to last night, for example) not standing in a nicely ordered 3-and-3 setup like in the picture. It would be great to have the place where that is mentioned link to an actual rulebook (is there one that can be picked? I don't even know that) rule regarding the order. Of course, if I were to do it myself, I would learn alot about the rules :) - but I don't really have time ATM. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Fool4jesus|Fool4jesus]] ([[User talk:Fool4jesus|talk]]) 22:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the kind words :-) The FIVB rulebook is available from the [http://www.fivb.org/en/volleyball/Rules/Rules.htm FIVB site], and I agree references should be added where appropriate; for positioning, you want Section 7.4 and Diagram 4 (I don't believe there are any significant differences between FIVB rules and any other organisations on this front). However... what's in the rulebook is essentially an algorithm for determining whether a fault has occurred or not, and I'm not sure it is particularly useful for the general reader in trying to understand what they see in a typical volleyball game which, as you point out, doesn't always look like a simple "three at the front and three at the back". What would be great here would be a site from a coach giving diagrams for each rotation in a 5-1 setup, but I don't know of one (or I'd use it for my coaching!) Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 09:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you for the link and, in general, all your hard work on the volleyball article. You have taught me a lot about the sport. If I can dig (haha!) up some time, I'll try and add some references like this also. [[User:Fool4jesus|Fool4jesus]] ([[User talk:Fool4jesus|talk]]) 11:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[el:Πετοσφαίριση]]== |
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Add the greek article [[el:Πετοσφαίριση]].[[Special:Contributions/87.202.35.32|87.202.35.32]] ([[User talk:87.202.35.32|talk]]) 11:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Done. Thanks for the pointer. --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 11:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Wallyball == |
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Can someone add wallyball to the list of related sports? I'd do it but the page is locked...[[Special:Contributions/68.44.106.58|68.44.106.58]] ([[User talk:68.44.106.58|talk]]) 06:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:It's listed on the [[Volleyball variations]] page; is there a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] showing that wallyball is in some way more significant than any of those other variations? We don't want that whole list moving back onto this page... Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 07:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== great sport == |
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Volleyball also teaches good structure,posture and great skill. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.18.86.113|99.18.86.113]] ([[User talk:99.18.86.113|talk]]) 21:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== volleyball 5-1 advantage == |
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The big advantage of this system is that the setter always has 3 hitters to vary sets with. If the setter does this well, the opponent's middle blocker may not have enough time to block with the outside hitter, increasing the chance for the attacking team to make a point. |
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The big advantage of this system is that when the setter is back row, setter has 3 hitters to vary sets with. If the setter does this well, the opponent's middle blocker may not have enough time to block with the outside hitter, increasing the chance for the attacking team to make a point. When the setter is front row, it is similar to a 4-2 and setter only has two hitters. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pcmarti|Pcmarti]] ([[User talk:Pcmarti|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pcmarti|contribs]]) 12:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Might also point out that, when the setter is in the front row, he/she can act as a hitter, which also tends to freeze a blocker. [[User:Mfenger|Mfenger]] ([[User talk:Mfenger|talk]]) 21:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC) |
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== Attack types == |
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In the Skills section that discusses types of attacks, an Off-speed hit is also known as a "roll-shot." |
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eat shit bitch pooop |
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A Roll-shot is a hit where the player does not hit the ball hard, reducing it's speed for improved control and placement. Additionally, this confuses the opponent's defense; similar to a baseball pitcher throwing a change-up. A roll-shot is the most common form of a tip in beach volleyball. |
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I'm proposing amending the section to include this terminology and a more accurate description of an off-speed hit/roll-shot. |
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[[User:Bhsoccer10199|Bhsoccer10199]] ([[User talk:Bhsoccer10199|talk]]) 22:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Which [[WP:RS|reliable source]] will you be citing? Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 23:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::This is common knowledge amongst the beach volleyball community [[Special:Contributions/71.196.210.232|71.196.210.232]] ([[User talk:71.196.210.232|talk]]) 06:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Please read Wikipedia's policy on [[WP:V|verifiability]]. "Common knowledge" is not acceptable for inclusion. In this is really common knowledge, finding a reliable source which has written on the subject should be easy. Could you point me to one? And getting technical... there are off-speed shots which are not roll shots - a roll shot is something hit with a lot of topspin (hence the "roll"), whereas an off speed shot is anything hit at less than full power: this could be a roll shot, but could also be open hand shots where placement is preferred over power, without necessarily adding large amounts of topspin. And neither of those shots are tips, which are shots made with a closed hand (or as close as you can get in beach eg knuckles). No, I don't have a source for any of that either, but this is why Wikipedia requires reliable sources, rather than just you and I stating opinions. Cheers --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] ([[User talk:Pak21|talk]]) 10:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Very well, I will verify this common knowledge. According to ''Volleyball: Steps to Success'' by Barbara L. Viera, Bonnie Jill Ferguson, which published its 3rd edition in 2006, states that "an off-speed shot, also called a half-speed or roll-shot, is another technique that keeps defenders and blockers off guard" (http://books.google.com/books?id=mlysGLZB9YYC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false, pg 73). From the book ''Volleyball: Skills and Drills'' by Kinda Lenberg and the American Volleyball Coaches Association (AVCA), the authors thoroughly discuss different types of shots. On page 63 of their 2006 edition, they have an entire section on the roll-shot; "Roll (or off-speed shot). The roll is seen at all levels of play and which is used to keep the defense on its toes. In the roll (also called an off speed shot)..." (http://books.google.com/books?id=OLaGuKVwaKMC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false). |
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In regards to your technical rebuttal, yes there are many types of off-speed shots that are not roll shots. However, based on the description listed on the actual volleyball page, "the player does not hit the ball hard, reducing its speed and thus confusing the opponent's defense," this would be called a roll shot and it is additionally used to reduce speed and improve placement to a spot on the court that the opponent cannot defend. cheers [[User:Bhsoccer10199|Bhsoccer10199]] ([[User talk:Bhsoccer10199|talk]]) 06:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== Jump Serve Picture == |
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In regards to the picture of a jump server in the serving section: the player is a former middle blocker from UC Irvine by the name of Aaron Harrell. I just thought it would be worth identifying the player in the caption. Despite the blurry nature of the photograph, I'm sure its him because I played against him for quite some time. |
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==Pending changes== |
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Please update the [[Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue|Queue]] page as appropriate. |
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Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially. |
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Regards, ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC). |
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== Player specialization == |
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"The outside hitter is usually the most consistent hitter on the team." I disagree. Due to the differences in blocks encountered by the three offensive players, I'm not sure that it is possible to compare "consistency." To some extent, the statement is true at lower levels of play. But, by university level or higher, the comparison is difficult to make. |
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"Inaccurate first passes usually result in a set to the outside hitter rather than middle or opposite." |
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Again, I disagree on the grounds that this is true only at lower levels of play. At higher levels, opposite hitters are tasked with dealing with bad passes and the resulting slow tempo sets. |
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Generally, my understanding is that the outside hitter is tasked with hitting faster, more diverse sets than the opposite, but not as quick tempo sets as the middle blockers. This is evidenced by their relatively shorter frame. |
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"Opposite hitters or Right side hitters carry the defensive workload for a volleyball team in the front row." |
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More so than middle blockers? Opposites do add much value as blockers, but I'm not sure that such a categorical statement can be justified. |
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"Their primary responsibilities are to put up a well formed block against the opponents ''Outside Hitters'' and serve as a backup setter." |
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Not always true at higher levels. Yes they have to put up a block, but they also have to deal with transition points and bad sets resulting from poor passing that eliminates the possibility of fast tempo sets. Additionally, most international teams use their liberos for backup setting. Can you picture Milkovic setting? |
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I agree with the previous poster - I more often see liberos serving as the back-up setter in college VB (what I watch). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Crossbarr|Crossbarr]] ([[User talk:Crossbarr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crossbarr|contribs]]) 19:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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"Sets to the opposite usually go to the right side of the antennae." |
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Unless I'm understanding this wrong, this is just plain false. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.74.120.12|76.74.120.12]] ([[User talk:76.74.120.12|talk]]) 20:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== External link change == |
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== External links == |
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{{commons|Volleyball|Volleyball}} |
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*[http://www.fivb.org/ FIVB] |
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*[http://www.usavolleyball.org/ USA Volleyball] |
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*[http://www.avca.org/ American Volleyball Coaches Association] |
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*[http://www.volleyhall.org/ Volleyball Hall of Fame] |
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*[http://www.volleycountry.com/ VolleyCountry.com] |
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*[http://www.avp.com/ AVP] - no longer available |
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[[User:Strom2|Strom2]] ([[User talk:Strom2|talk]]) 20:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC) |
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The ball is usually played with the hands or arms, but players can legally strike or push (short contact) the ball with any part of the body except during the serve. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Vballgurl185|Vballgurl185]] ([[User talk:Vballgurl185|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vballgurl185|contribs]]) 20:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Edit request from 2013bstinson, 8 May 2011 == |
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During the play the net itself and bottom can be touched as long as it doesnt inferr with the play of the game. The tope of the net (the tape) can not be touched under any circumstances. |
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[[User:2013bstinson|2013bstinson]] ([[User talk:2013bstinson|talk]]) 19:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC) |
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The line under the net can not be crossed at any time during play. |
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[[User:2013bstinson|2013bstinson]] ([[User talk:2013bstinson|talk]]) 19:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC) |
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The libero hasto wear the most contrasting color oppsosite her/his other teamates, making it so they stand out and can be reconized. |
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[[User:2013bstinson|2013bstinson]] ([[User talk:2013bstinson|talk]]) 19:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:{{ESp|rs}} Also, your last two points agree with what is already in the article. — [[User:Bility|Bility]] ([[User talk:Bility|talk]]) 16:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC) |
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== Rules corrections == |
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Here are some rules corrections. |
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"# causing the ball to touch the ground outside the opponents' court or without first passing over the net;" |
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This description can be shortened to, "causing the ball to touch the ground outside the court" (omitting "opponent's"), which is both simpler and more correct. To the best of my knowledge, no ruling committee at any level has ever determined it to be an "out" fault for the ball to contact one's own side of the court. In particular, blocking an opponent's attack hit under the net onto one's own side of the court is simply "in." See, for example, the following references: |
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http://www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/Documents/FIVB.2011-2012.VB.RulesOfTheGame.Eng.TextfileOnly.2.1.1.pdf (page 19, rule 8.4) |
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http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 15, rule 11.4) |
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http://usavolleyball.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/16086/2009-11_DCR_indoor_final.pdf (page 32, rule 8.4.1) |
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"# net foul: touching the net during play." |
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This rule citation is out-dated. Touching the net is now legal according to the most common international and national 6-person rules committees, including FIVB and USAV. See, for example: |
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http://www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/Documents/FIVB.2011-2012.VB.RulesOfTheGame.Eng.TextfileOnly.2.1.1.pdf (page 23, rules 11.3.1 & 11.3.2) |
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http://usavolleyball.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/16086/2009-11_DCR_indoor_final.pdf (page 38, rule 11.3.1) |
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Note that the FIVB has not yet legalized players launching themselves into the net during doubles competition: |
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http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 17, rule 15.3) |
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"The game is played on a volleyball court 18 meters (59 feet) long and 9 meters (29.5 feet) wide...." |
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Note that court size is no longer uniform. Please correct the paragraph beginning with the above to read as follows: |
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"The indoor game is typically played on a volleyball court 18 meters (59 feet) long and 9 meters (29.5 feet) wide, divided into two 9 m × 9 m halves by a one-meter (40-inch) wide net placed so that the top of the net is 2.43 meters (7 feet 11 5/8 inches) above the center of the court for men's competition, and 2.24 meters (7 feet 4 1/8 inches) for women's competition (these heights are varied for veterans and junior competitions). Sand doubles competition is typically played on a smaller court measuring 16 meters long and 8 meters wide." |
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Reference: |
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http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Rules/bvrb0912_forweb_EN.pdf (page 8, rule 1.1.1) |
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[[User:B6miller|B6miller]] ([[User talk:B6miller|talk]]) 08:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Skipshearer, 4 June 2011 == |
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Please add the following picture as an example of a "jump set" under the setting section. |
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[[File:Jump Set.jpg|thumb|Jump set]] |
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[[User:Skipshearer|Skipshearer]] ([[User talk:Skipshearer|talk]]) 04:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, serif;" color="#BBAED0">[[User:Feezo|Feezo]] <font size="-2">[[User_talk:Feezo|(send a signal]] | [[Special:Contributions/Feezo|watch the sky]])</font></span> 23:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC) |
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== Sand Volleyball == |
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The topic of Sand Volleyball is not mentioned a lot and or if any in this article. I was wondering if the same rules apply for Beach as they do for indoor volleyball? |
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[[User:Mookielynn18|Mookielynn18]] ([[User talk:Mookielynn18|talk]]) 03:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC) |
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