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==Plagiarism?==

No mention of Bates' admitted plagiarism for the <i>300</i> soundtrack? And I refer to the portion of the score that is allegedly a lift of Elliot Goldenthal's work on <i>Titus</i>? It was originally mentioned directly on the main page for the 300 DVD (though it has since been removed as time has passed, seemingly more due to disinterest in maintenance of the page by WB than anything else).[[Special:Contributions/71.111.220.191|71.111.220.191]] ([[User talk:71.111.220.191|talk]]) 18:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:The apology by Warner Brothers is still on the site: [http://www.300ondvd.com/300.html official 300 DVD site] -- [[User:MegA|megA]] ([[User talk:MegA|talk]]) 11:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)



[[User:202.43.226.11|202.43.226.11]] 10:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)Hollywood blockbuster 300, based on Frank Miller's cult graphic novel about Spartan resistance to Persian invasion, includes a copycat of the famous Macedonian folk song "Zajdi, zajdi, jasno Sonce." However, the soundtrack author Tyler Bates failed to provide proper attribution, and now claims the melody as his own copyrighted work.

Macedonian portal On.net revealed that intro to the song "Message For The Queen," number 24 on the 300 Original Motion Picture Soundtrack has the same melody as the famous Macedonian folk song "Zajdi, zajdi jasno Sonce" [Set, set bright Sun].

Internationally renowned for its characteristic melody and melancholic lyrics, this song has been included in numerous anthologies and has been interpreted by a number of Macedonian star singers, including Aleksandar Sarievski, Zafir Hadzimanov, and Toshe Proeski. During the last 60 years, this was one one of the songs that people of former Yugoslavia most often associate with Macedonia, as shown in the 1998 movie Powder Keg by Serbian director Goran Paskaljevic.

On.net also published a response by Tyler Bates, who claims that he "can't say there is a specific source of inspiration for the cue." The portal urges its readers to use Mr. Bates' e-mail to send him original versions of the song, so he can be reminded of where it came from.

Compare and contrast:

"Message for the Queen" (mp3) from the 300 soundtrack
http://www.on.net.mk/WBStorage/Files/300%20Soundtrack%20-%2024%20-%20Message%20for%20the%20Queen.mp3

Sample of "Zajdi, zajdi jasno sonce" (mp3) sung by Aleksandar Sarievski
http://www.passiondiscs.com/e_pages/balkan_e/balkan%20samples/cd405945_trk01.mp3

and a copy of the full song http://www.nostalgija.com/muzika/6614.php

and a video clip. Sample of "Zajdi zajdi jasno Sonce" (mp3) sung by Toshe Proeski
http://www.cityrecords.co.yu/mp3/526%20-%20tose%20-%2013.mp3

Also available is video clip of Toshe's performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSllN95UKow

== Not a folk song ==
Actually as most publicly available data suggests "Zajdi, zajdi..." is not a folk song, but a copyrighted work of Aleskandar Sarievski who took some lyrics from a folk song but written completely different music/melody. [[User:Novica|Novica]] 16:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

==Zajdi, Zajdi's Origin==
Aleksandar Sarievski, the writer and composer of the song was an [[ethnic Macedonian]] folk singer who was born in 1922 in modern Macedonia when it was a part of the [[Kingdom of Yugoslavia]]. At this point Macedonians could not recognize themselves as Bulgarians but rather as Serbs. The song itself was written well after the establishment of the [[Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia]] and at this point the modern Macedonian language had been established, respectively. This is why many Serbian pop singers today cover the song, because it was composed in Yugoslavia not because "it's a Balkan song". <small>Note: "Balkans" would include Greece, Turkey and Albania.</small> [[User:Frightner|Frightner]] 11:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Out of respect, I will add the Bulgarian translation but I will disambiguate the page to the region of Macedonia. [[User:Frightner|Frightner]] 11:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Biography Reads Like It Was Written for a Press Kit ==

The [[Tyler Bates#Biography|biography section of the Tyler Bates article]] appears to boast about Bates' career, rather than simply describing it in objective terms. It presents a number of subjective valuations of Mr. Bates' work as incontrovertible fact. For example, it describes his "vocal melodies" as "intoxicating" and refers to his "musical innovations" as if the notion that Mr. Bates is an innovator were simply accepted by everyone. It describes his score for [[300 (film)|300]] thusly: "His recent work on Zack Snyder's battle epic, 300, embodies expansive orchestral and choral themes that express a sweeping range of color and emotion with a heavy rock attitude." This is obviously language meant to cast Mr. Bates' score to 300 in a positive light, and such language should only be used on a Wikipedia page when it is identified as an opinion and is sourced to that opinion's point of origin. There are many other instances of this kind of writing throughout the biography.

Furthermore, the biography provides not a single source for its verification. [[User:Batman Jr.|Batman Jr.]] ([[User talk:Batman Jr.|talk]]) 02:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. This article verges on the hagiographic, and needs some serious NPOV refactoring. I will be giving it a little attention as time permits. [[User:Sjc|Sjc]] ([[User talk:Sjc|talk]]) 05:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


Moreover, the article appears to have largely been derived from [http://www.last.fm/music/Tyler+Bates/+wiki]. [[User:Sjc|Sjc]] ([[User talk:Sjc|talk]]) 05:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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