Talk:Pornography

History

I have a (serious) question about the introductory sentence of the first paragraph in the section History. "Depictions of a sexual nature are as old as civilization (and possibly older, in the form of venus figurines and rock art)..." How can pornography (or anything else that is a creation of mankind) be older than civilization? Surely it is impossible for us to have created something before we were around to create it. Having looked at the citation from Books.Google.com, I fail to see how it is relevant to the claim. Capedude2005 (talk) 07:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to argue that when the venus figurines are referenced as being figures with exaggerated sexual characteristics, you apparently haven't seen any women of a plus size nature. You are completely ignoring the fact that this non-civilization was probably very rich prosperous. It is idiotic to assume that in this time frame there was nothing similar to our time frame and describing them as "sexual" makes wild accusations as to the nature of the object. Porn is not a nude figure. Porn is merely a nude image used with the intent of achieving sexual gratification. To say that the nature of an archeological artifact was explicitly sexual when it was basically dug out of the dirt is making wild assumptions that one simply cannot make. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.57.200.94 (talk) 21:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

better pictures

I am sayin we need more "porn" on wikipedia, but 2 pictures of statues, a sex shop, and a non-explicit porn box in my opinion do not show what porn is. I remember when there was a video on this page a long time ago. how about reinstating that video? 99.20.100.127 (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, I'm a bit fuzzy on this whole "pornography" thing, some visual aids would help me to comprehend the concept. Rpm2005 (talk) 11:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

AgreedTheThomas (talk) 19:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I, too, have to concur on this point. Ideally, some additional training and exposure to this topic might also be in order. After all, we Wikipedia contributors want to be as knowledgeable about a topic as possible. Capedude2005 (talk) 07:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree as well. A video would be a highly appropriate means through which us wikipedians can gain an understanding of this "pornography" phenomenon. After all, wikipedia is not censored, and the subject is pornography. Its simple logic - we need a video of pornography or some clearer images for this page to better explain the term. Also hopefully it will, as a side effect, lead to less thoughts such as "I'm ashamed of having a penis", or "sex is evil", which are undoubtedly insane and outdated modes of thought for our modern society, which is supposed to cultivate intellectual, emotional, and yes, even sexual freedom. Especially when no one can give one good argument as to why it should be censored (as if wikipedia's policy wasn't enough) 24.150.131.48 (talk) 20:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Anti-porn movement

fuck anyone who doesnt like porn

Correction needed for recent Alexlange edit

Editor AlexLange removed a phrase about pornography driving the development of printing because Gutenberg invented movable type and he did not produce porn...if I have restated his reasoning correctly. This is incorrect on several counts.

1. Movable type was invented by the Chinese with wooden block printing.
2. The Chinese did produce pornographic prints.
3. Just after Gutenberg produced Bibles, Martin Luther produced obscene imagery of the papacy in his many pamphlets to dramatize Papal departure from that Bible. It was the printing press that distributed his obscenities to a wide audience. This imagery would most likely be considered unfit for children in the modern day.

BTW: Martin Luther not uncommonly used obscene language (scheisse, etc.) even while praying in describing the enemies of God.
Also BTW: I recommend a thorough study of Christian history regarding nudity in religion, especially holy communion in the nude in 4th C Spain, topless clothing styles in the court of King James (namesake of the KJV), Stirling castle, many others. I would correct this but somehow I'm not "autoconfirmed" despite being an editor of several years. Any assistance would be appreciated. --ClickStudent (talk) 19:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)