Talk:Matzoon

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Changing the name

Google:

• matsoun-6.360.000
• matsoni-91.100

I think it should be changed to Matsoun.--46.241.179.18 (talk) 08:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Its in your Armenian google --Obitauri (talk) 13:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:NOR

This article was written: It supposedly originated from ancient Georgia and later propagated to many neighbor countries, e.g. Armenia. With reference to the book Goldstein, Darra: The Georgian Feast.
In this book is not written about it. This is original research!!!!! On the referenced page is written about milk:
Page 36

Yogurt (matsoni), pungent cheese, and immature wine (machari) often serve as counterpoints to ground walnuts; vinegar or fruit juices and fruit leathers likewise lend balance. But even though ground walnuts find their way into many dishes, the flavors of Georgian food are not redundant

Page 51

YOGURT (matsoni). Georgian yogurt is some of the best in the world, whether made from cow's milk or the even richer water buffalo milk. Matsoni is never gelatinous but always shimmery, with a pleasant tartness.

Reference added Zolokin, forever blocked in the Russian section. I deleted the original study--Lori-m (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Why are there Wikipedia entries for both "matsun" and "matsoni"? They appear to be the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rks22 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Matsoni is Georgian food not Armenian. Armenians just took it to their region and everyone knows its Georgian Obitauri (talk) 11:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

See Vandalism. In this article there are sources. You delete the word not only from the article, but from the quote of source--Lori-m (talk) 09:25, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I see some fake Armenian sources. You armenians want to steal everything and say its yours. I wont let you do this! Get off this fake sources! --Obitauri (talk) 15:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Did you forget about the rules of ethical behavior (see Wikipedia:Civility)? In this article there is no Armenian source! You're breaking the rules. Your actions is vandalism. In English, the drink is called Matzoon, not Matsoni--Lori-m (talk) 23:47, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

The name is what the reliable sources say it is, which you deleted without any excuse because they do not suit you. Moreover, the only source related to Matsoni and Armenia, which you cited, says that the product is "used in Armenia", not that is necessarily Armenian or of Armenian origin.--Permaveli (talk) 23:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

What are the sources speak of Georgian origin? What are the sources said Matsoni and not Matzoon?--Lori-m (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

The ones that you keep deleting. Also, if you find sources to the contrary, that does not give you the right to delete previous sources. You will have to reconcile the two, instead of crying vandalism.--Permaveli (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I do not cry, I'm telling the truth--Lori-m (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Matzoon or Matsoni

In English, the drink is called Matzoon, not Matsoni. See Google Books and scholar.google. Also in contrast to the Matsoni, the word Matzoon use all the encyclopedia and dictionaries.

• Matzoon
  • • Google.books - 9480 references.
• Matsoni
  • • Google.books -2 970 references. However, almost all the references do not relate to the drink

The name "matzoon" was changed to "matsoni" contrary to logic and rules of Wikipedia. I return to the previous more correct title--Lori-m (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

source

• Anya Von Bremzen, John C. Welchman. Please to the Table: The Russian Cookbook. - is not IRS. This is not a book of science, it is a book of recipes
• Darra Goldstein. The Georgian Feast: The Vibrant Culture and Savory Food of the Republic of Georgia - Darra Goldstein does not say that the drink of Georgian origin. This conclusion is the original study
• David Shrayer-Petrov. Jonah and Sarah: Jewish Stories of Russia and America- is not IRS. It's also not a book of science, it is a book of stories and memories. In addition vney also does not say that a drink of Georgian origin.
• Joseph A. Kurmann, Jeremija Lj Rašić, Manfred Kroger: Encyclopedia of fermented fresh milk products: an international inventory of fermented milk, cream, buttermilk, whey, and related products - In this book, no mention of the Georgian origin of the drink, but it speaks directly about Armenian origin ( See reference [1]). In the book is written: Of Armenian origin. But you ignore the source of the article and delete the word "Armenian", and in the quotation from the book replaces the word "Armenian" in the "Georgian". This is vanadlizm! ( See Wikipedia:Vandalism)
• Columbia Encyclopedia // fermented milk // The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. Columbia University Press. - In this book, the word "Georgian" is missing. It used the phrase "Armenian matzoon"
  

You have perfected the war edits. You're breaking a few rules wikipedia (WP:EW, WP:IRS, WP:CON).--Lori-m (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

CANT YOU SEE THIS SOURCE AND STOP TAKING HERE FAKE SOURCES EVERYONE KNOWS MATSONI IS GEORGIAN! http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-0929.2006.00409.x/abstract — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obitauri (talk • contribs) 20:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

It does not say that the Georgian origin. There is no mention of the origin--Lori-m (talk) 08:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Clean your eyes and READ IN REFERENCES ONE SOURCE WHAT SAYS! --Obitauri (talk) 11:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

^ Kenji Uchidai, Tadasu Urashima, Nino Chaniashvili, Ikiti Arai, Hidemasa Motoshima. Major microbiota of lactic acid bacteria from Matsoni, a traditional Georgian fermented milk. Animal Science Journal, Vol. 78, Issue 1, pp. 85-91, February 2007

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-0929.2006.00409.x/abstract

Check references! --Obitauri (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

^ Darra Goldstein. The Georgian Feast: The Vibrant Culture and Savory Food of the Republic of Georgia. University of California Press, 1999, p. 34 --Obitauri (talk) 11:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I see everything. In the source is no mention of the Georgian origin of the drink. The word "traditional" doesn't say anything about the of origin. In contrast to this source we have in the article references that speak directly about the origin.--Lori-m (talk) 18:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

It snot ARMENIAN STOP TRYING TO STEAL IT! It is Georgian! Bringing sources From USA dont prooves its Armenian... Why? Cause you armenians went in Usa and brought Matsoni here, Americans thought it was Armenian and wrote in their book its Armenian. I dont care and no one cares, YOU KNOW ITS NOT ARMENIAN AND ITS GEORGIAN YOU JUST WANT TO STEAL IT I WOTN LET YOU DO THIS! --Obitauri (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Here you go: "Lawrence Eldred Kirk // Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, 1948 , p.12 (41)

Matsoni, originating in Georgia. A lactobacillus (L. mazun) , a streptococcus, a spore-producing bacillus and a sugar- fermenting yeast are responsible for the fermentation of this product" Enough? --Obitauri (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

http://books.google.ru/books?id=3PM_FnWgPBAC&pg=PA51&dq=%22Matsoni%22&hl=ru&sa=X&ei=NbHBUYC0FYv0sgbQmYHoDg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Matsoni%22&f=false

^ Darra Goldstein. The Georgian Feast: The Vibrant Culture and Savory Food of the Republic of Georgia. University of California Press, 1999, p. 51

See what is here: "Yogurt (matsoni). Georgian yogurt is some of the best in the world..." and continue reading. It completely says its Georgian and not Armenian, you can see other sources too just dont choose ones which say Armenian origin which is not true --Obitauri (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

First of all I checked and you was removing sources which said Matsoni was Georgian, Then replacing with sources which says its Armenian and crying vandalism then. First of all discuss which source is true, then edit them. --Lori-m (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obitauri (talk • contribs) 13:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Matsoni, originating in Georgia. A lactobacillus (L. mazun) , a streptococcus, a spore-producing bacillus and a sugar- fermenting yeast are responsible for the fermentation of this product" Enough? — What? You're a liar. I added this source. It says, "Matzoon or mazun, originating in Armenia". See [2]. Врешь и не краснеешь!

See what is here: "Yogurt (matsoni). Georgian yogurt is some of the best in the world.." — Show me where it says "Georgian origin"? There's no such. This original study. I have already spoken on the talk page. A hundred times I will not repeat. Call the administrator. I will not let you engage in vandalism--Lori-m (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)