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 == Jimmy Wales' photo ==
+Am|Talk]]</font>)</sub> 00:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
-Am I the only one that's starting to get fed up with Jimmy Wales staring out at me every time I go to Wikipedia?  I've already donated money, so enough!  Or, is Jimmy Wales trying to compete with Bono?  Anyway, let's curtail the personality cult and get back to business - drop the pictures. Otherwise, thanks to Jimmy and everyone for Wikipedia, a great service.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/211.124.135.29|211.124.135.29]] ([[User talk:211.124.135.29|talk]]) 01:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:I believe you only see the banner if you're not logged in, but, anyway, this isn't the place to discuss it (because this page is for discussion of the Main Page) and there's not much we can do about it because any admin who removed the banner from whatever MediaWiki page is generating it probably wouldn't keep their bit for very long. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]  01:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-:: it is on main page this is the place! 02:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.143.204.5|78.143.204.5]] ([[User talk:78.143.204.5|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:: I share the discussion-starter's opinion. Why not instead bring on the ads for 2 months; they have the same annoying, distracting effect and would maybe have raised more money.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/129.67.76.27|129.67.76.27]] ([[User talk:129.67.76.27|talk]]) 16:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:::It's not part of the English Wikipedia Main Page. It's generated (I believe) by [[meta:Special:CentralNotice]] (which isn't even on the English Wikipedia, so even if I was willing to lose my bit, I couldn't do anything about it), which displays the same thing on all WMF wikis. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]  02:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::so WMF is forcing unwanted media on wikipedia? Does wikipedia have a say in this?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.143.204.5|78.143.204.5]] ([[User talk:78.143.204.5|talk]]) 02:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:::::Nope. The Wikimedia Foundation owns and operates Wikipedia (and all the other Wikimedia projects) so they can do as they please, basically. If you create an account and log into it, you can set a preference to hide the banner by default, but that's the best I can offer. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]  02:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::::The fact that 'Wikimedia Foundation owns and operates Wikipedia' does not mean that they are not forcing unwanted media on wikipedia, seems to me they are. Anyway do you like it?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.143.204.5|78.143.204.5]] ([[User talk:78.143.204.5|talk]]) 02:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::::::::I guess the appropriate response there would be "no comment". [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]  02:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::::::::I would think that the appropriate response would be "Yes, of course, we need the fundraiser so that the website can stay up, and so that the foundation can keep advancing the Wikimedia movement". Does the community have a say in how the fundraiser is done? ''[[m:Fundraising 2010|Yes]]''. Do the Jimbo appeals do far better than any other banner tested? ''[[m:Fundraising 2010/Banner testing|Yes]]''. Is Wikipedia part of the Wikimedia movement and does it benefit hugely from these banners? Yes. I don't see what the problem could be. Anyway, that's what I would answer :) --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 04:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::::::::(And BTW, there's a little "X" at the top-right corner of the banner that gets rid of it.) --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 04:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::::::::There's little point, three days later it comes back again with a new picture. --[[Special:Contributions/86.185.250.141|86.185.250.141]] ([[User talk:86.185.250.141|talk]]) 11:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-I'm the one who complained re the photos - thanks for pointing out the little "X".  I really greatly respect Wales and the whole WMF crew and their achievements, just got tired of him staring out at me, think it a bit too much. The "X" solved that.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/211.124.135.29|211.124.135.29]] ([[User talk:211.124.135.29|talk]]) 09:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:I don't mind the appeals for money, but the head shots on the black banner and on the bronze banner with the closeup of a bug-eyed Wales looking toward the right of the screen look like stills from an audition to play [[Gollum]] in Jackson's Hobbit.  Real turnoffs.[[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 19:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-::This is something regular contributors don't notice, because the vast majority of them will hide the banner immediately. You could try raising your concerns at [[meta:Talk:Fundraiser 2010]], but as HJ pointed out we have no control over the banners here. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::Don't worry, you'll be getting some relief from Jimmy this week. Stay tuned. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 04:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::I do believe that, like last year as well (I think) years before, that will only be there for a total of a month or two. [[User:GameSlayerGS|GameSlayerGS]] ([[User talk:GameSlayerGS|talk]]) 13:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::::The fund raiser is running for 2 months. I for one consider 17% of the year to be rather too long. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
-It would not be so bad if Jimmy was a lot better looking.  Or if there was more in the photograph than just his bearded face.  Thank goodness for the 'x'.  I wonder what nationality Jimmy is... he obviously likes looking at himself.  I would look him up but do not want to be confronted by his features any more than necessary. :-) [[User:B. Fairbairn|B. Fairbairn]] ([[User talk:B. Fairbairn|talk]]) 04:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
-::In all honesty I'd say Wales is a lot better looking that Sanger and a lot of the [[Wayne's World]] look alike four-eyed web geeks with the "my gosh he ''really'' needs to go to Specsavers look" or slobby looking trolls with greasy long hair who seems to roam the Internet these days.. At least we have somebody who looks relatively normal pictured in the campaigns....Sure the side photo is one of his least flattering photos, the one of him in the blue shirt looks decent.  ♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 16:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
-::I bet Wales will be running for office later on, using his pic here to build recognition. You can bet Wikipedia won't get a dime from me under these circumstances.-Richard Peterson[[Special:Contributions/24.7.28.186|24.7.28.186]] ([[User talk:24.7.28.186|talk]]) 14:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::I doubt that the foundation will allow Jimbo Wales to use foundation resources to run for office. I don't even think that's legal in the US, see [http://magazzuwatch.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/kelly-campaign-uses-non-profit-organization-to-further-his-political-career/]. He can of course use any pictures in accordance to the license they were released under with on his own servers, the same as you or I can.
-:::Jimbo Wales has been the public face of wikipedia for a long time and many people will probably ignore the campaign appeals after seeing them once or twice so it's not clear how much these pictures are increasing recognition (there's obviously some) nor for that matter how much this is going to help any hypothetical future political campaign (while I don't know about the US, often what the candidate has done can be just as important as does he look familiar?).
-:::BTW, I would like some evidence for the claim the 'vast majority' of 'regular contributors' turn off the ads. Some obviously do, but I'm not aware there are any stats to show it's the 'vast majority'. I myself don't generally bother, I'm rarely looking at the top of a page anyway and I've never been that concerned about ads when they don't get in my way.
-:::P.S. AFAIK Jimbo Wales has had limited involvement in the design of this campaign. The decision to use his face was made by the campaign team based on their stats it gained the most donors. I've seen some criticism of those stats, but I haven't see any evidence JW influenced them. In other words, blaming him for this, or suggesting he's using it for some hypothetical future political campaign seems a bit silly. I can't help wondering if he'd prefer they weren't using his face so external sources aren't mocking him and people aren't continuously complaining to his user page about stuff he has little involvement in and apparently little desire to be involved in
-:::[[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 07:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::I have no stats, it's purely speculation on my part, albeit based upon a handful of anecdotal examples. Everyone I've spoken to about them (both registered and unregistered, you'd be surprised how often I end up in such real-life conversations) has complained about the pics and wanted to remove them - I think it's safe to assume that the majority of people who could & knew how will have done so. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Anecdotally everyone I've spoken to hasn't so I don't. Perhaps the reason why most people ask for actual evidence when bold claims are made? To be honest, I'm not even sure if we can safely assume most people you know have turned them off or don't like them. To state the obvious, it seems possible that perhaps one of the reasons they came up is because the people involved didn't like them or wanted to turn them off. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 00:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::::Of course. I freely admit that I'm speculating. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::in prior years I recall having to go into settings to turn off the donation ads, but this year, after clicking the X on the box, it hasn't come back.  So I imagine anyone who has clicked the X has effectively blocked the ad.  I use [[AdBlock]]/[[Ad Muncher]] while browsing, so anything that's '''not''' blocked by either catches me by surprise. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] ([[User talk:Hbdragon88|talk]]) 05:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
-So we can have a banner ad from Mr. Wales, but we can't have normal banner ads like every other website? I know it's annoying, but you scroll down and ignore it like every other webiste... Seems ironic that we're using a banner ad to promote our fundraising so we don't have to have banner ads...  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/204.153.84.10|204.153.84.10]] ([[User talk:204.153.84.10|talk]]) 14:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::Honestly - how obnoxious are these ads? If I click the X, I have decided not to donate. I should not see the banners again. It should be the equivalent of opting-out. Yet, visiting a new page or refreshing shows them again. I downloaded the AdBlock extension just so I could avoid seeing these banner ads on every page. [[User:Y2kcrazyjoker4|Y2Kcrazyjoker4]] ([[User talk:Y2kcrazyjoker4|talk]] &bull;  [[Special:Contributions/Y2kcrazyjoker4|contributions]]) 19:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
-:::There's a gadget available in preferences which in theory blocks the ads now and forever (including future campaigns) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 00:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC) P.S. Realised I forgot to specify obviously it only works as long as you're logged in and on en.wikipedia and other wikis where you turn it on where available. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
-::::Thank you, "generous donor"! And I think Jimmy, either looks like O'Brien or Winston Smith from Nineteen Eighty Four. [[User:Buggie111|Buggie111]] ([[User talk:Buggie111|talk]]) 14:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
-== Are misleading news allowed? ==
-In this case "The PCRM receives the most votes in the Moldovan parliamentary election, while the Alliance for European Integration wins a majority of seats."
-IMHO this suggests misrepresentation, with the two statements being connected like that. The first statement is only true if you consider parties, not political alliances, and the second only if you consider political alliances, not parties.[[User:Ambi Valent|Ambi Valent]] ([[User talk:Ambi Valent|talk]]) 09:33, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
-The statement is 'perfectly reasonable' to anyone in a parliamentary election system - there are several examples in which 'Labour/Tory' and 'Tory/Labour' (or vice versa) and 'the UK' could be substituted. [[User:Jackiespeel|Jackiespeel]] ([[User talk:Jackiespeel|talk]]) 15:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
-: Even in USA we get ''similar'' situations.  In 2000 Al Gore received the most votes, but George W. Bush won the most electoral votes. [[Special:Contributions/72.10.110.109|72.10.110.109]] ([[User talk:72.10.110.109|talk]]) 23:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
-::This isn't really the same as those two examples though: as I understand it, the PCRM won the most votes and the most seats of any individual party, but if you group the parties in the Alliance for European Integration (the ruling coalition) together, they won a majority of both votes and seats.  The line does seem a little misleading (though I suppose it won't be on the main page for much longer). [[Special:Contributions/81.98.38.48|81.98.38.48]] ([[User talk:81.98.38.48|talk]]) 00:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
-== today's picture [[Anthophora]] ==
-the caption says "of the Anthophora species" but it should read "of the Anthophora '''genus'''".[[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 22:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
-== Typo under "recently featured" FA ==
-Louis Lambert, not Lous Lambert. Thanks! --<font color="navy">[[User:Another Believer|Another Believer]]</font> <sub>(<font color="cc6600">[[User talk:Another Believer|Talk]]</font>)</sub> 00:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 :Fixed, thanks. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 00:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)