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=Unsourced claims / Misinformation=

This article seems to be more about propaganda promoting a Book and Movie which are based on unsubstantiated wild claims which have actually been investigated by journalists and evidenced as false. Claims are unsourced.

Have attempted to edit page to fall in line with reality, but edits have been undone by a "random IP user". Looking at page history, this seems to have happened many times in the past. I recommend page be edited and then locked.

[[User:Trickietrickie|Trickietrickie]] ([[User talk:Trickietrickie|talk]]) 10:25, 06 January 2012 (UTC)

:I disagree with the statement that the claims were "evidenced as false." Per the sources I see in the article, one reporter is alleging that others failed to do their due diligence. I don't see where that reporter did such research as to disprove the claims.

:I do agree that the text had gotten flowery in the promotion of the films. I've pared back the Film section accordingly. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 14:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


The article I was referring to was scrubbed from the page by one of these 4 'questionable accounts': Users: "81.83.157.57", "AMA2010", "2.49.216.202", and "TVNEWS11" appear to be created for the sole purpose of erasing CITED information about the topic. Evidenced as false by Ed Caesar, in investigative journalism published in Jan 2011. (re-printed in http://www.edcaesar.co.uk/article.php?article_id=55) What I meant was there is evidence to the falsity of the claims. That's why I wrote "evidenced as false". This is especially troubling as there is NO evidence to the veracity of the claims, other than media reports referencing the claims themselves.

Noticed that this account keeps getting scrubbed of material referring to this investigative journalism. Or any claims made by journalists to the contrary of the alleged story. It increasingly appears as I gather more information, that Yehia is editing this page (And others - "political decoy" page and "Uday Hussein" page) to attempt to recreate history and sell a story, and books, and a movie. If true, Manipulation for profit: This is a dishonest, deplorable use of wikipedia, and I question whether this subject warrants a wiki:bio in the first place.

[[User:Trickietrickie|Trickietrickie]] ([[User talk:Trickietrickie|talk]]) 21:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


There is a lot of potentially libellous, unsourced material on here. But the interesting caveat, the subject seems to be pushing this material in his claims -and the actual ''sourced'' material, published, with verifiable interviews of 3rd parties, is being systematically deleted!

What to do when it seems the subject '''wants''' the libelous claims, to farther a fantastical story? Close the page?

The more I read about criteria for deserving a wiki bio page, the more I question if this subject is deserving of one. A stub, sure, but a full page? not-so-sure. Only problem, my assumption if page is removed, it will be put back up. ...salt it? Well, at least if page is kept accurate (showing unsubstantiated claims ''and'' verifiable opposition research), it might be of use to some poor people who actually are misled to believe the story is accurate.
This is my opinion, as this is the talk page :)

[[User:Trickietrickie|Trickietrickie]] ([[User talk:Trickietrickie|talk]]) 22:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Again, page is being wantonly changed before my eyes -with no attempt at discussion, no notes added, ad-hominem attacks against the cited opposition authors inserted, this is pathetic, ridiculous and completely blatant.

Admin, get on the ball- I am getting SO impatient with this nonsense. If you have to moderate any changes/additions, so be it. Rollback Block&Lock. Or Delete. There are enough violations here to have the page taken down, everything but the opposition publications come from the fantastical claims made by the perpetrator (weasel word intentionally included) in the first place.

I left the page up only for the sake of poor saps who may be pulled in by this nonsensical claimsmaking in the future.

Recommend revert&lock, or delete&salt.
[[User:Trickietrickie|Trickietrickie]] ([[User talk:Trickietrickie|talk]]) 01:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

== External links ==

I've removed a heap of external links titled "further reading" that probably belonged in "external links" if anywhere. The glut served no purpose at all. Here they are, in case any make decent references:
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* [http://nieuwsuur.nl/onderwerp/270130-the-devils-double.html The Devil's Double,Nieuwsuur spreekt met hem. (Nieuwsuur TV Netherlands 5 Sep 2011)]
* [http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/mediatheek/nieuws/cultuurenmedia/1.1106153 The Laaste Belgian TV (een TV Belgium 5 Sep 2011 )]
* [http://www.cobra.be/cm/cobra/film/110909-sa-thedevilsdouble The Devil's Double sluit Filmfestival Oostende (cobra TV Belgium 5 Sep 2011 )]
* [http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/my-life-as-uday-hussein-s-body-double.html My Life as the Devil’s Double ( Newsweek )]
* [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/8681025/Saddams-demon-seed.html Saddam's demon seed (The Telegraph )]
* [http://www.city-journal.org/2011/bc0819mt.html The Id of Mesopotamia]
* [http://www.depauliaonline.com/mobile/arts-life/meet-the-real-devil-s-double-a-conversation-with-latif-yahia-1.2550068 Meet the real Devil’s Double: A conversation with Latif Yahia]
* [http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3729841/I-was-shot-26-times-for-being-Uday-Husseins-body-double.html ( BBC Radio 4 )]
* [http://news.sky.com/home/showbiz-news/article/16041837 Star Defends Violence In Film On Saddam's Son]
* [http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/film/2011/08/03/i-was-the-devil-s-double-for-saddam-hussein-s-barbaric-son-uday-115875-23316030/ I was the Devil's Double for Saddam Hussein's barbaric son Uday]
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9555000/9555097.stml The Sun UK]
* [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6823215.ece From the archive: My years of blood as brutal Uday’s double by:Marie Colvin]
* [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Hussein-Body-Doubles-Irish-Plan/Article/20070311253955?lid=ARTICLE_1253955_Hussein%20Body%20Double%27s%20Irish%20Plan&lpos=Home_0 Hussein Body Double's Irish Plan.]
*[http://www.zeit.de/2003/32/Titel_2fUdai_Doppelg_8anger Wieder allein German.]
*[http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Hussein-Body-Double/Video/200703114162784?lid=VIDEO_14162784_Hussein%20Body%20Double&lpos=searchresults Hussein Body Double ( SKY NEWS )]
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/8388903.stm Latif Yahia ( HARDtalk BBC )]
*[http://m.cyprus-mail.com/living/spitting-image Spitting image, (Cyprus Mail )]
*[http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090527/FOREIGN/705269864/1041 The bizarre double life of Latif Yahia May 27. 2009 , UAE]
*[http://www.hotpress.com/archive/2921591.html As the body double for Saddam Hussein's son, Latif Yahia suffered several assassination attempts. Having escaped to Offaly, the controversial figure is now seriously at odds with his adopted country.]
*[http://www.heraldscotland.com/deportation-fear-of-saddam-son-double-1.851829 Deportation fear of Saddam son double.]
*[http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/ich-war-saddams-sohn/387986.html „Ich war Saddams Sohn“ German.]
*[http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19951112&slug=2152087 Double Jeopardy: Iraqi Worked As Stand-In For Saddam's Son]
*[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6823215.ece From the archive: My years of blood as brutal Uday’s double, The Sunday Times, 1995]
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== Why should adverse claims not be mentioned? ==

Please would the person who is removing all mentions - from the article and the discussion page - of any controversy or dispute concerning Latif Yahia '''discuss it here''' without removing or rewriting anyone else's comments. I for one see no reason why such claims should not be mentioned in the article.
Please also describe why the article requires so many external links, with reference to [[WP:EL]] if possible.
[[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 13:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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