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== The designation "Double Action Only" is incorrect. The P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer". == |
== The designation "Double Action Only" is incorrect. The P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer". == |
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According to Wikipedia's own description of "Double Action" (look up that page which explains the other actions too), DAO is incorrect. Rather, the Kel-Tec P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer", in which operating the slide places the hammer in a pre-set position. The trigger THEN, and only then, operates in a double-action mode. Unlike a DAO (double-action-only), without prior operation of the slide (the pre-set action), the trigger does nothing. A true double-action semi-auto cocks and releases the hammer even when the slide has not been operated. |
According to Wikipedia's own description of "Double Action" (look up that page which explains the other actions too), DAO is incorrect. Rather, the Kel-Tec P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer", in which operating the slide places the hammer in a pre-set position. The trigger THEN, and only then, operates in a double-action mode. That is how this mode is different from single-action: the hammer must be "pre-set" by the slide (which is not a full cock), then the trigger operates in DA mode, fully cocking and releasing the hammer. |
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Unlike a DAO (double-action-only), without prior operation of the slide (the pre-set action), the trigger does nothing. A true double-action semi-auto cocks and releases the hammer even when the slide has not been operated. |
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As long as the gun is operating in semi-automatic fashion, the slide will continue to pre-set the hammer, allowing the trigger to operate in double-action mode. But again unlike a DAO (this is a safety feature): the slide must be manually operated at least once regardless of the loaded state to pre-set the hammer the first time, or the gun will be inert. So it is not mechanically possible, as it is with a DAO, to re-try firing a round that has failed to fire; the only effective action is to eject the round (which operates the slide so that the hammer is pre-set again), and you are back in normal operation. |
As long as the gun is operating in semi-automatic fashion, the slide will continue to pre-set the hammer, allowing the trigger to operate in double-action mode. But again unlike a DAO (this is a safety feature): the slide must be manually operated at least once regardless of the loaded state to pre-set the hammer the first time, or the gun will be inert. So it is not mechanically possible, as it is with a DAO, to re-try firing a round that has failed to fire; the only effective action is to eject the round (which operates the slide so that the hammer is pre-set again), and you are back in normal operation. |
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I wonder if the 'comparable' statement is no longer apropos
In Feb of 2008, Ruger released Ruger_LCP very similar weapon. Is the statement In a Guns & Ammo review, Wiley Clapp said, "Ingenuity is often nothing more than a combination of existing principles applied in unique ways. Kel-Tec's new P-3AT has no single feature that is not established in modern pistol design, yet it has no competition in its niche." still to be considered valid?
I mean to say that while the statement was accurate when it was said, I'm thinking that perhaps it is no longer so.
--Thistledowne (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
The designation "Double Action Only" is incorrect. The P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer".
According to Wikipedia's own description of "Double Action" (look up that page which explains the other actions too), DAO is incorrect. Rather, the Kel-Tec P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer", in which operating the slide places the hammer in a pre-set position. The trigger THEN, and only then, operates in a double-action mode. That is how this mode is different from single-action: the hammer must be "pre-set" by the slide (which is not a full cock), then the trigger operates in DA mode, fully cocking and releasing the hammer.
Unlike a DAO (double-action-only), without prior operation of the slide (the pre-set action), the trigger does nothing. A true double-action semi-auto cocks and releases the hammer even when the slide has not been operated.
As long as the gun is operating in semi-automatic fashion, the slide will continue to pre-set the hammer, allowing the trigger to operate in double-action mode. But again unlike a DAO (this is a safety feature): the slide must be manually operated at least once regardless of the loaded state to pre-set the hammer the first time, or the gun will be inert. So it is not mechanically possible, as it is with a DAO, to re-try firing a round that has failed to fire; the only effective action is to eject the round (which operates the slide so that the hammer is pre-set again), and you are back in normal operation.
This is not a matter of splitting hairs: it is simply wrong.
-- Jane Q. Public (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC).
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