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==Miley cyrus!== |
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SHe sung backing vocals for mileys breakout album. Don't forget about that! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Loly-liz|Loly-liz]] ([[User talk:Loly-liz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Loly-liz|contribs]]) 19:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Provide a relaibe source and it could go on the article [[Special:Contributions/60.234.151.56|60.234.151.56]] ([[User talk:60.234.151.56|talk]]) 22:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Creshaud Young helped her with the Song " [[I Kissed a Girl]]" <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SeanPhyscotic|SeanPhyscotic]] ([[User talk:SeanPhyscotic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SeanPhyscotic|contribs]]) 15:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Humoristic == |
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Well, whoever put the word humoristic into the article then removed editing rights was obviously having a laugh. Now let's see, shall we use the word humorous ( 28,000,000 hits with a google search, or the strange sounding "humoristic" ( 110,000 hits with a goodle search )? |
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Humoristic obviously. Why use a word which sits easily in most people's minds when there is a more obscure awkward sounding version to confuse issues. |
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Just my observation. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.187.233.172|81.187.233.172]] ([[User talk:81.187.233.172|talk]]) 10:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Katy Hudson== |
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The information regarding her first label is incorrect. Katy was signed by Todd Randall who was the AR Vice President at Red Hill Records. Since Katy Perry is the same person who recorded Christian pop-rock as Katy Hudson, the discography needs to be updated with her Christian albums, such as [[Katy Hudson (album)]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.197.236.103|71.197.236.103]] ([[User talk:71.197.236.103|talk]]) 04:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Musical Influences== |
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Only two of the musical influences have proper citations. The rest do not and quite frankly make no damn sense. If you are going to say that a pop artist was influenced by death metal bands like Meshuggah, Cattle Decapitation, and Slayer, you should have a reference. Would an admin please flag this? |
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:Please sign your posts on talk pages per [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages]]. Thanks! Feel free to [[Wikipedia:Be bold|Be bold]] and flag it yourself. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 23:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Hyacinth, thanks for deleting the uncited influences. I would have been very surprised if Katy Perry were influenced by John Cage. Her music (from what I've heard) contains no elements of aleatory, Zen Buddhist philosophy, or indeterminacy. Death metal bands and prog acts like King Crimson were also unlikely. |
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That said, if anyone does find citations, I'd very much like to see them. |
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[[User:Ilike1954rcamodels|Ilike1954rcamodels]] ([[User talk:Ilike1954rcamodels|talk]]) 06:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Middle name== |
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IMDB says it's Elizabeth. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Reference #10== |
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Why is reference 10 some random blog? Please, delete that, it's supposed to be a serious article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.56.175.102|190.56.175.102]] ([[User talk:190.56.175.102|talk]]) 19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:See [[Wikipedia:Cite sources]] [ [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 00:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)] and tell me what's wrong with citing "some random blog"? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 18:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::You mean this? [[WP:Reliable sources#Self-published sources]] which links to here [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources]] which states: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, '''personal websites''', open wikis, '''blogs''', forum postings, and similar sources '''are largely not acceptable'''" ''emph added''-- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;font-size:medium;;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">The Red Pen of Doom</span>]] 02:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:It has been removed, but that paragraph said that her songs have raised controversy with the gay community and that she was being regarded as a hypocrite based on one random blogger's opinion, sorry but that is not acceptable. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.56.47.23|190.56.47.23]] ([[User talk:190.56.47.23|talk]]) 02:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Birthplace == |
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The main article "Biography" says she was born in Santa Barbara, but the Background Information box says she was born in Portland. Which is correct? [[User:Sachinabox|Sachinabox]] ([[User talk:Sachinabox|talk]]) 18:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC) |
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she was born in LA... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.15.81.126|70.15.81.126]] ([[User talk:70.15.81.126|talk]]) 05:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: Her official site says Santa Barbara, see http://www.katyperry.com/whos_that_girl.aspx [[User:Calebrw|Calebrw]] ([[User talk:Calebrw|talk]]) 03:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Name change == |
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Although it certainly is commonplace for a woman to change one's last name when married, it is not commonplace for a woman who has previously released works under her birth name (Katy Hudson) to then change her name and release another work/album under her new name (Katy Perry). I assume she got married in the interim? This should be clarified on the page somehow, as many readers are probably wondering just why Katy Perry released an album named ''Katy Hudson''. [[User:Midtempo-abg|Midtempo-abg]] ([[User talk:Midtempo-abg|talk]]) 00:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:It is more commonplace in certain professions including performers but indeed, it should be explained. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 02:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::The name Perry is her mother's maiden name, see the bio on the imdb.com profile: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2953537/bio [[User:Calebrw|Calebrw]] ([[User talk:Calebrw|talk]]) 03:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Hudson is certainly her born, maiden name; that much we know and it says so in the first sentence of this article. Then we need to know where she got the name Perry? I did some searching on media articles posted on the web and nowhere is it mentioned that she is married or divorced. The few media sources (such as [http://allieiswired.com/archives/2008/07/katy-perry-still-rules-charts-strip-clubs]) that have mentioned her change of name state that the reason is unknown and that there is only conjecture at this point - such as a change in name that went along with the change in her image, plus avoiding confusion with the American actress [[Kate Hudson]]. Does anyone know or find any sources that explain her last name change? [[User:Midtempo-abg|Midtempo-abg]] ([[User talk:Midtempo-abg|talk]]) 20:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Katy has never married. Hudson is her real surname, Perry is her mother's maiden name. Katy changed her name in order to avoid confusion with actress Kate Hudson. She released her first album as Katy Hudson, at which time she was nowhere near as well known as she is now; the actress was not as famous as she is now either. Does anyone know if she has ''legally'' changed her name? [[User:F W Nietzsche|F W Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:F W Nietzsche|talk]]) 00:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Thinking of You == |
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I just found the official music video for "Thinking of You"! Is it going to be a single or what? I've searched and nobody's has anything on it! Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOJaUo0cyE&NR=1 [[User:Tcatron565|Tcatron565]] ([[User talk:Tcatron565|talk]]) 19:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Bisexuality == |
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I recently heard that she is bisexual. Is there a source? I checked around but didn't see anything. Of course, I'm blind when it comes to these kinds of things. -[[User:Darthjarek|Darthjarek]] ([[User talk:Darthjarek|talk]]) 02:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:No. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 02:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::I understand why my recent addition to the categories was deleted (no room on Wikipedia for wishful thinking), but why hasn't anyone struck out the reference to [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Katy_Perry&diff=prev&oldid=226407723 her being bi]? [[Special:Contributions/64.209.128.132|64.209.128.132]] ([[User talk:64.209.128.132|talk]]) 10:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Why haven't you? See [[Wikipedia:Be bold]]. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Some fool will probably change it back and warn me like that fool JBSupreme did. My boldness has only been punished thus far... [[Special:Contributions/64.209.128.132|64.209.128.132]] ([[User talk:64.209.128.132|talk]]) 08:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::A warning is not a punishment. You shouldn't expect a thanks or congrats for edits such as the following: [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Katy_Perry&diff=prev&oldid=226414044]. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 04:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::A warning is only a forestep to proper punishment user 64.209.128.132 - i.e. bannings. You get so many warnings depending on the crimes and then wollop - bans. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 13:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Hopefully you have a better understanding of the English Wikipedia than you do of English. If you didn't just make this up: how many times would a user have to commit the offense in question before being banned? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Is that understanding English cheek directed towards me Hyacinth? If so hopefully you'll word things more understandably. ''A warning is not a punishment'' can be construed as meaning either: your telling user 64.209.128.132 that he was wrong in judging a warning as a punishment, or that you are stating that a warning isn't suffice enough for a punishment. If not then no worries. And to answer your question; depends on the severity and frequency. The addition of ''Category:FBI Most Wanted Terrorists'' rates simply as a unconstructive and nuisance edit that Wikipedia provides minor warnings for. There are FAR more serious crimes committed by others that have more serious warnings and punishments for. If this user commits more such petty nuisence edits especially repeating the same ones, then of course he will get more severe warnings that will warn him that anymore and wham bam they get a ban. Or if they commit a spate of very offensive edits then they may get a ban straight off. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 22:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== I added back the examples of the homophobic and misandric lyrics == |
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I got a message from something telling me that adding in examples of homophobic and misandric lyrics were somehow not relevant to a section that discusses how critics have charged her lyrics as being homophobic and misandric. |
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I truly don't understand that criticism of my change, but feel free to discuss it here. |
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Her lyric, "You pull ‘em down and there’s really nothing there" is a lyric that says when her boyfriend acts "emo" it is as though he pulls his pants down and reveals having no penis. This is an example of the kind of lyrics that critics claim are homophobic and misandric. Having no penis, having a small penis, a man acting as having no penis is a woman, see, that is what critics of hers are calling homophobic. |
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So I don't know why that edit was reverted and I was told, "as it appears to be unconstructive." It's entire constructive. It gives an example to the reader of exactly why her lyrics are being charged as homophobic. |
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I also took out the {{fact}} tag. The person that wrote this wrote this. It is his opinion and it IS cited. If you disagree with his opinion, you should either a) remove his opinion or better, b) add in a reference from a person that disagrees with him and thinks such songs would be played. But I am not sure how much sense it makes to add {{fact}} after someone's opinion. |
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[[Special:Contributions/70.1.65.164|70.1.65.164]] ([[User talk:70.1.65.164|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::How the hell is "You pull 'em down and there's really nothing there" a homophobic line?? If anything it only belittles her fella by saying he has no manhood to boost about. Whats homophobic about having a small penis or not even having one? Critics read far too much into a line thats just a simple dig at her boyfriend's penis size. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 14:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Find a source to quote which agrees with you and you may quote it in the article. Until then, this page is for discussing the article and improvements to it, not for airing your opinions. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 06:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Please read [[WP:V]] - wikipedia does not publish analysis that has not been previously published by a reliable source. The sources in the article do not reference the lyrics that you are including. Just claiming someone on MSNBC said something is NOT a [[WP:CITE|citation]]. All direct quotes need to be cited. (thats also in [[WP:Verifiability#Burden of evidence]])-- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;font-size:medium;;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">The Red Pen of Doom</span>]] 04:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Red Pen, I have no idea what point you're making. Scalafani SAID what he said. The citation is there. {{citation}} refers to something a wikipedia author writes, NOT to something a quoted source says. By adding {{citation}} you are disputing what Scalafani said. If you disagree with him, remove his quote, or better, add in a quote of someone who disagrees with him. I've never seen {{citation}} used in the fashion you are using it, which is to disagree with the quoted source itself!? [[Special:Contributions/70.1.65.164|70.1.65.164]] ([[User talk:70.1.65.164|talk]]) 06:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Ah, it looks like the link to Scalafani got deleted or lost in some editing somewhere. I've added it back in and removed the citation. Is that what you were asking about? If so, sorry I didn't notice earlier the cite had been lost. [[Special:Contributions/70.1.65.164|70.1.65.164]] ([[User talk:70.1.65.164|talk]]) 06:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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See [[Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Article structures that can imply a point of view]] and [[Wikipedia:Criticism]]. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 10:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::I agree that this information should be included, however, I think the wording is definately loaded with opinion. A section entitled "Homophobia and Misandry" should be reworded to something like "Controversial Song Themes" or something.[[Special:Contributions/75.152.139.164|75.152.139.164]] ([[User talk:75.152.139.164|talk]]) 23:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
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I'm sure she's laughing out loud reading everything you guys say about her "homophobia". You won't analyze so deeply a war song would you? Seems we're still in the 19th Century...--[[User:Fluence|Fluence]] ([[User talk:Fluence|talk]]) 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:What is your suggestion for the article? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 01:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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What is currently on this article and talk page don't show her as homophobic or misandric. I haven't heard or read all the lyrics of the song in question, but it sounds like it just refers to one ex-boyfriend of hers; that she didn't make any negative statements about men or LGBT people in general. If I'm wrong, please provide examples of some of the exact wording of the offending lyrics. [[User:F W Nietzsche|F W Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:F W Nietzsche|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Lyrics == |
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I added a quote from a Chicago Sun-Times columnist who sees positive aspects to the lyrics. Before, the only sources cited had negative opinions, so I thought that another opinion was appropriate. |
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Likewise the header for that section had been "Accusations of Homophobia and Mysandry" (I think), but I changed it to just "Lyrics" because I think it is more neutral. Could certainly change it to "Lyrical controversy" or something like that. |
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I thought that in addition to the negative and positive citations under "Lyrics" that it would be good to have a representation of the "who cares, it's just a song" point of view, which I suspect is the majority view of the public, but I couldn't find a source espousing that point. |
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Also, these lyrics get attacked by the Christian right, too, so it might be proper for someone to cite a Christian right critique of the lyrics, and add more positive citations to balance things out. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Uptownnow|Uptownnow]] ([[User talk:Uptownnow|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Uptownnow|contribs]]) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Image?== |
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Was just wondering why the image was deleted? I kinda miss it. [[User:Fatekeeper|Fatekeeper]] ([[User talk:Fatekeeper|talk]]) 15:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Because we could not gain approval from the photographer to release it under a license Wikipedia can use - see [[Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 July 7]] for the discussion. --[[User:Stormie|Stormie]] ([[User talk:Stormie|talk]]) 22:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==German Charts Position== |
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'I Kissed A Girl' debuted on the German Single Chart at number 2.<ref>http://www.media-control.de/katy-perry-debuetiert-auf-platz-zwei.html</ref>--[[User:It's Flo|It's Flo]] ([[User talk:It's Flo|talk]]) 12:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== The New Gay Interview with Katy Perry == |
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Just wondering if someone wanted to incorporate [http://www.thenewgay.net/2008/06/katy-perry-new-gay-interview.html this interview] into the controversy section in which Perry discusses her lyrics of "Ur so gay".--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:That is covered at "[[Ur So Gay]]". [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 23:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::But if the article is going to be calling her out on her so-called homophobia, the very least it can show her side of the story.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 23:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Why don't you? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 23:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I will now, but I was wondering if someone who's better at adding quotes could have done it.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 23:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Pronunciation == |
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Is her name pronounced like Kate-ee or Cat-ee ({{IPA|/ˈkeıti/}} or {{IPA|/ˈkæti/}})? I assume it's the former but I've never seen it spelled without an "e" (like "Kat'''e'''y") - [[User:Estoy Aquí|<font color="#cadbff"><sup>Estoy</sup></font><font color="#cadbff"><sub>Aquí</sub></font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Estoy Aquí|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Estoy Aquí|c]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Estoy Aquí|e]])</sup> 11:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Its spelled Katy and pronounced KAY tee [[User:Japannjbfan|Japannjbfan]] ([[User talk:Japannjbfan|talk]]) 21:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Gay == |
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she gay? Coz the Bio dont even mention that... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.150.73.85|69.150.73.85]] ([[User talk:69.150.73.85|talk]]) 00:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:She's not.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 02:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Zooey Deschanel and Siwan Morris Resemblance == |
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Should it be mentioned in the article how much Katy Perry resembles [[Zooey Deschanel]]? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.35.232.110|96.35.232.110]] ([[User talk:96.35.232.110|talk]]) 02:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:* No, that would be [[WP:OR|original research]] [[User:Dp76764|Dp76764]] ([[User talk:Dp76764|talk]]) 02:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::*Actually, there are plenty of websites which mention the resemblance (just google their names together). It may not be "encyclopedic" enough to include in the article, but there's nothing original about the idea. Read the link you provided if you're unclear on the definition. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.35.232.110|96.35.232.110]] ([[User talk:96.35.232.110|talk]]) 02:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::* All blogs, which fail [[WP:RELIABLE|to be reliable sources]]. Regardless, it's trivial coincidence. [[User:Dp76764|Dp76764]] ([[User talk:Dp76764|talk]]) 04:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Should it be mentioned in the article how much Katy Perry and Zooey Deschanel resemble [[Siwan Morris]]? Siwan played the psych teacher on [[Skins_(2007_TV_Series)]] and the resemblance is freaky. (Do a Google image search.) Getting the three of them together for a photo shoot would likely blow my mind. [[Special:Contributions/65.95.113.181|65.95.113.181]] ([[User talk:65.95.113.181|talk]]) 00:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I think that they do resemble.. Alot! :) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff|Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff]] ([[User talk:Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Controversies: Three-inch blade == |
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So, why was this controversial? Holding a knife in a picture suddenly makes you controversial because it got put in a tabloid? |
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My being a worthless American probably doesn't help me figure out what the real 'controversy' is here. Could somebody elaborate on it more than "holding knife in picture, picture gets posted in tabloid; she apologizes for holding a knife in a picture"? [[User:Washii|Washii]] ([[User talk:Washii|talk]]) 06:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Obviously celebrities are held to a higher standard in Britain [http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/photos/amy-winehouse-trash-duty.jpg] Hell they're too civilized to even use knives there, their food cuts itself! [[User:Nar Matteru|Nar Matteru]] ([[User talk:Nar Matteru|talk]]) 17:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Heh, thanks Nar. I noticed you pulled out the controversy in the article too. [[User:Washii|Washii]] ([[User talk:Washii|talk]]) 22:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:The picture made headlines in Britain (not just in tabloids, but please note that British tabloids are very different to American tabloids) and was subject of much debate. It was against the background of a shocking rise in knife-related deaths and an apparent glamourisation of knifes within popular culture. It was assumed that the photo of Ms Perry was an attempt to make her look edgy and "cool", which obviously poured fuel on the flames of the debate. To some it was offensive. To some it was not an issue. To most it was, at worst, a lapse in judgement by her pulicist. But to say it is un-noteworthy is simple untrue, when the same article cites other minor controversy regarding the word "gay" - which are completely irrelevant in the UK. Although Ms Perry is American, and therefore the stories surrounding her are likely to be Americo-centric, please recognise that she is an international star, and Wikipedia is an international medium, and there may be news stories that while seemingly irrelevant to American audiences are not to others. To many in the UK who do not follow music, they will only know Ms Perry by this particular photograph. [[Special:Contributions/193.194.132.78|193.194.132.78]] ([[User talk:193.194.132.78|talk]]) 10:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::That's partially because Europe is a lot more gay friendly while it is a much bigger issue here (the fuss wasn't about her use of the word itself). On the other hand we still have knife deaths same as you do and nobody here made a fuss. And if anyone in the UK remembers an American celebrity for posing in a picture with a knife five years from now, they really need more things in life to focus on. |
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::And...Actually I think the gay stuff is equally as useless and would remove it if it weren't for the thousands of people who would readd it in an instant, with opinionated wording to make her out to be either A) a homophobe or B) somehow trying to make a statement supporting/opposing the gay/anti gay "agenda." And then there's Glenn Sacks who somehow twisted it to mean she hates men. [[User:Nar Matteru|Nar Matteru]] ([[User talk:Nar Matteru|talk]]) 12:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Was it a storm in a teacup? Of course. As I mentioned, the majority of people would have looked at it and thought either: "so what?" or "silly publicist". Personally, I thought "so what?". But regardless of your opinion on the photograph, it was big news, did spark debate, and forms part of the general perception of Ms Perry in the public consciousness here; particularly for those who don't listen to her music, but see her in papers, magazines, etc. I'm not pushing for this to be readded. I was just suprised when I came to this article and saw no reference to it, given how big a furore it caused. I didn't realise it had been added, then deleted for being "un-noteworthy"!. I think I am just suggesting to the American editors of this article that the fact you don't know a piece of international information about Ms Perry (or think it is stupid) should not automatically invalidate it. [[Special:Contributions/193.194.132.78|193.194.132.78]] ([[User talk:193.194.132.78|talk]]) 13:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Well, see, ''this'' is why I asked. The text in the article was basically "picture holding a knife," with no real context as to how it mattered to '''any''' particular geopolitical area. Thank you, oh mighty 192.194 IP! <sub>No, not sarcasm.</sub> [[User:Washii|Washii]] ([[User talk:Washii|talk]]) 06:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Is she an alto or mezzo - to me, she sounds more like a (deep) mezzosoprano <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.218.249.141|79.218.249.141]] ([[User talk:79.218.249.141|talk]]) 00:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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WTF is an anti-knife campaigner? What will they think of next?! |
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== YouTube Live 2008 Performance == |
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Perry was the opening act for the [[YouTube Live]] 2008 event. She entered the stage passing and greeting a few of the other "[[Internet_Phenomenon|Youtube phenomenons]]" who took part at the event, and then performed her single "[[Hot_N_Cold|Hot'n'Cold]]". During the 2nd chorus, she also pictured a person in the audience using his cam. ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQv5V2Ljfa4 Official Video on YouTube]). |
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--[[User:Kuchmuch|Kuchmuch]] ([[User talk:Kuchmuch|talk]]) 23:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Katy Perry sang as a background singer for Miley cyrus == |
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http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Breakout_(Miley_Cyrus_song) |
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"Breakout" is a song from American pop singer Miley Cyrus' second studio album, Breakout. The song was originally a demo track recorded by Katy Perry, '''who also sings backing vocals on Cyrus' version'''. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.48.219.177|60.48.219.177]] ([[User talk:60.48.219.177|talk]]) 01:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Lily Allen's statement is factually incorrect == |
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Lily Allen's retort that Katy [http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/41551 "doesn't write her own songs and isn't English"] is quite wrong because Katy ''does'' write her songs, maybe Lily oughta check her facts, and second, what does being English have to do with anything? No offense to the Brits, I have nothing against them, but being English certainly does not place you above other cultures. --[[User:Crackthewhip775|Crackthewhip775]] ([[User talk:Crackthewhip775|talk]]) 01:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Grammatical suggestion in opening == |
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{{tlx|editsemiprotected}}Parenthetical phrases should be separated by a pair of commas, not only one; subjects and verbs should agree. |
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She is known for her unconventional style of dress, often humorous, bright in color, and reminiscent of different decades, as well as her frequent use of fruit-shaped accessories, mainly watermelons, as part of her outfits. |
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[[User:Micahfaulkner75|Micahfaulkner75]] ([[User talk:Micahfaulkner75|talk]]) 00:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}} Please format request as "Please change X to Y." [[User:Leujohn|<span style='color:navy;background-color:#B0C4DE;'>Leujohn</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:leujohn|<font color="green">talk</font>]])</sup> 05:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Still a Christian?== |
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She obviously was religious for most of her life, due to her very Christian parents. She made a Chrstian album. Is she still a Christian, or has she left the religion? [[User:F W Nietzsche|F W Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:F W Nietzsche|talk]]) 04:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Parents== |
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They are very anti-LGBT, and consequently strongly disapprove of her recent work, particularly I Kissed a Girl. Her mother claims Katy is strongly influenced by powerful people in the entertainment industry to (pretend to) be LGBT, when Katy, is, she claims, 'a good, innocent, straight, Christian girl who has been taken advantage of' by powerful people for their own ends. Regardless of how accurate or not her parents' opinion and view of the situation is, the fact that they feel that way is certainly relevant to Katy's life, and, as such, should be in the article. [[User:F W Nietzsche|F W Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:F W Nietzsche|talk]]) 04:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Controversies: spelling == |
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Just a small change: |
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"Perry stated that the success of British singer-songwriters Amy Winehouse and ''lablemate'' Lily Allen more female artists have been appearing on the charts." |
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Labelmate, not lablemate. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sushimonkey511|Sushimonkey511]] ([[User talk:Sushimonkey511|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sushimonkey511|contribs]]) 06:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Use of stage name == |
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Since Perry is only a stage name, and not a legally changed, name, shouldn't Hudson be used throughout the article? |
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[[Special:Contributions/74.69.119.32|74.69.119.32]] ([[User talk:74.69.119.32|talk]]) 03:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:From [[MOS:BIO]]: "While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known." I'd say she is better known as Katy Perry, so that is what should be used, and the lead starts with her legal name, as per MOS. --[[User:Terrillja|<font color="003300">Terrillja</font>]][[User Talk:Terrillja|<font color="black"><sub> talk</sub></font>]] 03:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::Agreed, the title of the article can be most commonly used name, but the rest of the article should use the legal name. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.69.119.32|74.69.119.32]] ([[User talk:74.69.119.32|talk]]) 04:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::And then the title of the article will not match the rest of the article. With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense at all. That would be so incredibly confusing so everyone. The general consensus appears to be using stage name throughout, see [[Lil_wayne]], [[Jay-Z]], [[Slash (musician)]], and [[Pink_(singer)]] to name a few. One exception appears to be [[Sean Combs]], who has gone by a half dozen different stage names, and using his legal name is much easier to understand.--[[User:Terrillja|<font color="003300">Terrillja</font>]][[User Talk:Terrillja|<font color="black"><sub> talk</sub></font>]] 04:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Perez Hilton== |
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The part on the page that mentions Madonna mentioning her and Ryan Seacrest mentoring her should also include Perez Hitlon. He gets more readers than the other two sources get listeners combined. Such as this on March 19, 2008 http://perezhilton.com/2008-03-19-gay-gay-gay or this from late 2007 http://perezhilton.com/2007-11-19-listen-to-this-we-just-wanna-use-your-love-tonight |
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==New York City??== |
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Is it worth nothing that she's not the sharpest tool in the shed? At Warped Tour 2008 at Nassau Coliseum, during "I Kissed a Girl", she shouted "I LOVE YOU NEW YORK CITY." In case you don't know much about Nassau Coliseum... it's in Uniondale, on Long Island. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO9c4N8xTKM Hear it nice and clearly here.] --[[Special:Contributions/24.45.215.203|24.45.215.203]] ([[User talk:24.45.215.203|talk]]) 09:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Paternal ancestry== |
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Does anyone know what her father's extraction is? [[User:F W Nietzsche|F W Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:F W Nietzsche|talk]]) 00:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Better yet, is there even a source for her mother's? [[User:All Hallow's Wraith|All Hallow's Wraith]] ([[User talk:All Hallow's Wraith|talk]]) 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== image == |
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this image is realy bad you cant see her face because of the sunglasses. what happened to the old image, it was much better! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.105.126.218|92.105.126.218]] ([[User talk:92.105.126.218|talk]]) 08:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== "Contralto Vocal Range" == |
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A little while ago, I took out the line about Perry having a "contralto vocal range," but I see someone has put it back in. I don't think this is a valid fact and it shouldn't be part of the article. The cited source is just some music critic who makes an offhand remark about her "raspy contralto vocals," but I doubt the writer meant "contralto" in the true sense of the word, just seems like a fancy way to say "low, compared to some other pop singers." So I'm taking it out again. [[User:Westknife|Westknife]] ([[User talk:Westknife|talk]]) 07:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:And, I put it back on the page. Just because you don't like the reliable source, doesn't mean you delete it. Please leave it alone. [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 18:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44 |
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::Well, upon browsing your user page, I see that investigating singers' vocal ranges is a pet project of yours, which is fine. Unfortunately, I also see that you have a history of having a somewhat loose attitude regarding cited sources. Any critical reader can tell that this source should not be trusted verbatim, and this particular sentence shouldn't be in the article, let alone in the first paragraph. Here: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Can someone else back me up here? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Westknife|Westknife]] ([[User talk:Westknife|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Westknife|contribs]]) 09:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::I concur with the above comment. Many thanks, '''[[User:Deltasquared|<font style="color:#488AC7">δ</font><font style="color:#2B547E">²</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:Deltasquared|<font color="#FF9900">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 13:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Here is a better source: [http://www.sltrib.com/entertainment/ci_11626129]. I'm putting that on the page instead of the old one. Please do not revert this one as well. Thanks. [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 17:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44 |
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:::Thing is, Katy Perry is not a singer with professional/classical training (or at least she doesn't sound like it), and so these categories like contralto, soprano, etc. don't really apply. It seems misleading to say "Katy Perry has a contralto vocal range," because she probably could not sing a vocal part by a classical composer written for a contralto. Your new source is not much better than the old one, I'm afraid. From reading the article, it isn't obvious that the author has any reason to believe Perry is <i>actually</i> a contralto. Often words like this just get thrown around by journalists who don't know very much about music, like they'll just call a man with a high voice a "tenor" without truly knowing what that means. It looks like you are going to obstinately fight me on this, but at the very least it should not be featured in the first paragraph - is this really such an important fact about this person? When people think of Katy Perry, they don't think "Oh yeah, that singer with the contralto vocals." If it's so important to you, then rework it into the article in a more appropriate way. Until then I'm taking it out again. [[User:Westknife|Westknife]] ([[User talk:Westknife|talk]]) 18:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I know she hasn't had any professional/classical training. But her voice does go as low. The newer reference does vaguely describe her range, and I'm reverting it once again. |
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::::Just because you don't think she's a contralto, doesn't mean you have to revert every reliable source there is on it. I do not want an edit war, but please do not revert it again. [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 18:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44 |
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(undent) I have removed it for the time being. Until a reliable source is found which specifically addresses her vocal range, this information should remain out. If she is a contralto, then there should a reliable source somewhere saying so. FWIW, I don't know anything about vocal ranges, just don't want to see this edit war continue. --[[User:Terrillja|<font color="003300">Terrillja</font>]][[User Talk:Terrillja|<font color="black"><sub> talk</sub></font>]] 19:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Here is another source on her vocals. Now this has to be reliable enough to be put back on the article. [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117939543.html?categoryid=1266&cs=1] [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 21:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44 |
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: I don't think you understand what a reliable source is. You can't just google "Katy Perry" and "contralto" and just use whatever comes up. This is an editorial review of a concert, and it is clearly an opinion piece rather than a journalistic one. Also, as I said before, the end of the first paragraph is the wrong place for this anyway. It is not one of the most essential facts about this person, despite your personal fixation on vocal ranges. [[User:Westknife|Westknife]] ([[User talk:Westknife|talk]]) 09:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Well, if you are so gun-ho about finding a reliable source, then go find one yourself. I do type in the artists name and vocal range, and it does work. |
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:As I said before, you do not want to admit she does a low vocal range. She is not a soprano or mezzo-soprano. |
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:I'm not trying to pick any type of fight or be a "hard ass", lol. I'm really touchy about this subject because I love Katy Perry as much as you do. |
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:Here are some sources I found while on my search today: |
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[http://www.everhype.com/hyper/musicAlly?X=S1459-hot-n-cold-by-katy-perry] |
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[http://www.mtvasia.com/Review/CD/C20081103001722.html] [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 21:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44 |
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The Great ONe has been Here and I will not stop until all the singers pages have been GONE!!!!!!