Talk:Israel Shamir

Proposed rewrite

Hi! I updated bibliography according to http://www.israelshamir.net/Books/Books.htm and updated biography quote from Shamir's site according to http://www.israelshamir.net/Biography.htm as per wiki reference. Please do not revert without discussing reasons. I propose to re-write Russia-related part of the item. In present form, it is very confusing. Right is described as left, and vice versa. In Russia, as everywhere, Right is Neoliberal, as represented by Union of Right-wing Forces (Chubais and suchlike). Zavtra is anti-neoliberal, anti-Right; and probably could be described as pro-Soviet and Communist-leaning. The present write-up presumes that Russian liberals belong to the Left - but they do not, as they stand for privatisation and for pro-US policy in general. I would re-write it unless there are objection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingfisher12 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

According to the article on the editor, Alexander Prokhanov, Zavtra is an "ultra-nationalist newspaper". According to the Moscow Times, Zavtra is an "extreme rightist newspaper"[1], a "rabid opposition newspaper" which "respectable people do not buy" [2], an "extremist weekly" which "openly praises the Waffen SS" [3] and an "anti-Semitic nationalist newspaper" http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/looking-for-reds-in-the-communist-party/323939.html]. Hardly left-wing by any stretch of the imagination. RolandR (talk) 10:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Moscow Times is a Russian Fox News, if you quote such sources you can claim that Obama is a communist. In today's paper see http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/it-is-time-to-declare-the-soviet-union-illegal/411087.html an extremely anti-communist item calling to ban communism. Amazing that Rance, supposedly a Trot, relies upon rabidly anti-communist paper! Probably because he has zero integrity. But historically the confusion of Right for Left and vice-versa in Russia is a remainder of 1990, when the anti-soviet right-wingers (pro-privatisation) described themselves as "left-wingers". Pro-soviet communists were described as right-wingers. Now this thing is over.

Kingfisher12 (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Rance Removal

I removed the sentence of Rance disbelief. Who is Rance at all? My internet search found no reason for his mentioning at all, but his obsession with Shamir. He is not a known personality, a claim he did is POW and COI, and this is certainly out of place. I hope Rance will keep himself away from restoring this dubious quote of himself. Kingfisher12 (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)