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Elvis Presley was best friends with Oliver cooper and then he got promoted for a pop contest so he entered it then he got 1st out of 7 people.so Oliver cooper started to get angry then he killed Elvis on the toilet

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-{{tmbox|type=style|text=[[Elvis Presley#Questions over cause of death|''Questions over cause of death'']] gives the balanced views of various experts. Please note that although Nichopoulos, Presley's main physician, was at the time ''"exonerated of criminal liability for the singer's death, ... His license was suspended for three months. It was permanently revoked in the 1990s after the Tennessee Medical Board brought new charges of over-prescription."'' Consensus among regular editors who judge it important to preserve a reliable, mainstream view in this encyclopedia article is that the discredited doctor's opinions, such as those published in his 2010 book, and including his attempt to emphasize constipation as the likely cause of death, should not be propagated by Wikipedia, and hence receive no coverage in this article.}}
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-== Recommending a book to add to the "Further Reading" section of the Elvis page. ==
-Recommending a book to add to the "Further Reading" section of the Elvis page.
-It's called "Meet Elvis Presley" written and published by Dr Charles Margerison of The Amazing People Club in 2008.
-ISBN 978-1-921752-57-5
-[[User:Lenmar123|Lenmar123]] ([[User talk:Lenmar123|talk]]) 00:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
-:Or possibly ISBN 978-1-921629-91-4? Doesn't seem to be very scholarly. Or, from the on-line write-up, very high in content. [[User:Fat&amp;Happy|Fat&amp;Happy]] ([[User talk:Fat&amp;Happy|talk]]) 00:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
-== Recommending a VHS video to add to the "Further Reading" section of the Elvis page. ==
-May I suggest a 1999 2-video package Titled ''"He Touched Me, The Gospel Music of Elvis Presley"''?  It's over 3 hours of Elvis and his friends, interviews and performances of Elvis with ''The Statesmen'', ''The Blackwood Brothers'', ''The Imperials'', and ''The Jordanaires''.  It includes both concert and studio performances.  Hosted by journalist Sander Vanocur, with Gordon Stoker of the Jordanaires, and Joe Moscheo of The Imperials. The videos are rich with details of Elvis's personal life, his relationship with his friends, and his deep, abiding love of gospel music.  It shows a very different Elvis from that presented in this article.
-The video set is still available on Amazon, if anyone here is interested in Elvis as a real person. [[User:Santamoly|Santamoly]] ([[User talk:Santamoly|talk]]) 04:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
-:Sounds like a truly wonderful video. However, the section is devoted to ''Further reading.'' N.B.: Moscheo's book ''The Gospel Side of Elvis'' is already included in the section.—[[User:DCGeist|DCGeist]] ([[User talk:DCGeist|talk]]) 05:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
-== Haley/Snow/Presley ad ==
-I have been working on the [[yodeling]] article and was quite surprised to learn that both [[Hank Snow]] and [[Bill Haley]] started out as yodelers.  While searching for files at the Commons I happened to come across an ad wherein Haley and Snow shared top billing but Elvis was billed as well.  That would be 1955, probably the February tour arranged by Parker.  I find the ad very interesting for several reasons.  First, of course, it's hard to imagine a time that Elvis did not have top billing.  Then, note that the Elvis style was called "rockabilly", and there it is right there - Haley was rock and roll and Snow was "hillbilly".  The price of admission is interesting as well.  If there is no objection, I'd like to put the ad back and ask for feedback.  BTW, I was one of those screaming girls... :-)  [[User:Gandydancer|Gandydancer]] ([[User talk:Gandydancer|talk]]) 22:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
-[[File:BillHaleyHankSnowTicket.jpg|thumb|BillHaleyHankSnowTicket]]
-:Can you show us the image here, so we can see what you're describing? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 23:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
-::I will go ahead and put it back while we discuss it so people can see how it fits in. [[User:Gandydancer|Gandydancer]] ([[User talk:Gandydancer|talk]]) 00:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-:::I meant show it on this talk page. Never mind, I'll do it: [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 00:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-::::Why should the Hank Snow part (and rest) be in this article? Can you crop it and re-upload? [[User:Musdan77|Musdan77]] ([[User talk:Musdan77|talk]]) 01:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-:::::I can't see where it describes Elvis as 'rockabilly' - Bill Haley seems to be 'Rhythm and Blues'. As for the image, it is of poor quality, and I don't think that it tells us much. We can't include every last detail of Elvis's life here, so personally, I don't see a lot of merit in including it - though if we do, it definitely needs to be cropped, as Musdan77 suggests. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 01:29, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-::::::And it doesn't give the date (year). So for that reason, I say it's not good enough. [[User:Musdan77|Musdan77]] ([[User talk:Musdan77|talk]]) 01:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::In fact the image is of little use anywhere on Wikipedia unless it can be verified as actually being what it is represented to be. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 01:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-{{outdent}} Rockabilly was used to describe his early work and style but I do not see where that is shown, and I also agree although interesting I don't think it's of article quality, if it were of better quality then perhaps. [[User:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#800020'>'''Mlpearc'''</span>]] <small>[[User_talk:Mlpearc|<span style='font-family:;color:#CFB53B'>'''powwow'''</span>]]</small> 01:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-:Sounds like I'm outnumbered, however I still feel that my observations are correct and I believe it would be a great addition.  To answer some points:
-* Anyone that thinks it would need to be cropped just doesn't get it.  Read the articles rock and roll, rockabilly, R & B, and Bill Haley.  Note this quote:
-::''Presley's unique musical style rocketed him into the spotlight, and drew masses of followers: "But it's Presley's singing, halfway between a country western and a R&B rock 'n' roll style that has sent teenagers into a trance. Whether you like it or not, there will always be an Elvis Presley." (Helen McNamara, June 9, 1956 Issue Saturday Night Magazine)''  And then to be so lucky as to find an old ad with Presley right there ''halfway'' between the two.  BTW, I can only guess that Haley was billed R&B because the term rock 'n roll was so new that most kids had not yet heard it - it was a different age and information did not zip around as it does today.  But Haley definitely was not R&B - he was more influenced by [[Bob Wills]].  Also, see this [http://articles.cnn.com/2005-07-07/entertainment/haley.rock_1_rock-n-roll-jackie-brenston-roll-guy?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ]
-* As for the date, of course it's 55 - when else could it be (have you read the article?).
-* As for the quality - that does not seem to be a problem.
-* [QUOTE] In fact the image is of little use anywhere on Wikipedia unless it can be verified as actually being what it is represented to be.[/QUOTE]  OK, I give up. I'll go back and work on the yodeling article. [[User:Gandydancer|Gandydancer]] ([[User talk:Gandydancer|talk]]) 02:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-I raised a flag over this statement in the article some time ago. "Presley was one of the originators of rockabilly..." It is in fact clear that he was influenced by Carl Perkins for one. One of the Comets players have been quoted as saying that they were playing rockabilly (he wanted to play more complicated "jazzy" chords). Haley and the Comets were huge stars in early 1955 with 4 tunes in the Cash Box Top Singles list. Elvis was popular only in the South at that time. Yeah, note the listing of Scotty and Bill in that ad, both of whom were very important in developing the early Elvis style. I think all of this is important. But Elvis the "orginator" has won out. Anyhow, great discovery, even if it doesn't fit in the article. [[User:Steve Pastor|Steve Pastor]] ([[User talk:Steve Pastor|talk]]) 17:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
-::This link [http://www.rockabilly.nl/general/rockabilly1.htm] seems to be a decent summary of the origins of rockabilly. At one point it states, "...Elvis undisputably stands as the progenitor of the new idiom..." Though it pays due tribute to those who were helping to mould the idiom from 1945 onwards, it cites the Presley Sun sessions as crystallizing the emerging rockabilly style. It is only one source, as an example, but I guess we've discussed challenges to this version of history elsewhere. I'm not sure if there are any sources to challenge this that have not been looked at yet.  [[User:Rikstar|<span style="color:blue">'''''Rikstar'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Rikstar|<span style="color:#D80B0B"><sup>'''''409'''''</sup></span>]] 12:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
-Robert Palmer has written about ten pages on rockabilly for a large format book on Country Music. (I recently became aware of) He does not repeat the Elvis blah blah blah. He seems to give more credit to Sam Phillips for stripping things to basics, (eliminating steel and fiddle) and credits Scotty and Bill's versitility as part of the Memphis region's heterogenous music scene. He also mentions that "Blue Moon of Kentucky" did better on the charts than "That's Alright", something that was removed from the article long ago. (There are primary sources for that, too.) Gone too is the fact that Bill Black started "Blue Moon of Kentucky". "Elvis was an orginator" isn't "history". It's an opinion about history, widely held though it is. It's indisputable, though that Elvis was the first widely known and popular artist in the "rockabilly" style. [[User:Steve Pastor|Steve Pastor]] ([[User talk:Steve Pastor|talk]]) 20:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
-:Elvis Day by Day - 16 Sunday Municipal Auditorium, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, at 3:30 and 8:00 p.m.
-For one night Elvis joins yet another Hank Snow tour, this one costarring Bill Haley, whose "Rock Around the Clock" is in its fifth month at the top of the charts. The phenomenal success of Haley's 1954 record, re--released when the song was used over the credits of the hit film The Blackboard Jungle, in some ways certifies the success of the new music and validates its name once and for all as "rock 'n' roll." In subsequent weeks Billboard will note the clever strategy of "Col Tom Parker of Jamboree Attractions, one of the nation's major bookers and promoters of country & western talent, [who] instituted a new policy when he presented a combination of popular and country & western music on a recent one--nighter tour." It might further be noted that Haley and Elvis are advertised on the top half of the poster, above Hank Snow. http://www.randomhouse.com/rhpg/promos/elvisdaybyday/1955.html [[User:Steve Pastor|Steve Pastor]] ([[User talk:Steve Pastor|talk]]) 00:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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-[[Special:Contributions/72.47.71.214|72.47.71.214]] ([[User talk:72.47.71.214|talk]]) 20:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
-I would like to write a new section about Elvis entitles "Religious Views." It is based on a book written by his step brother Rick Stanley who grew up with Elvis and who is a friend of mine.
-:I would be happy to look at this section if you post it below. However, please remember that claims attributed to primary sources, such as the one you are describing above, should be backed up by secondary sources per [[WP:NOR]]. Thanks. <font color="#082567">[[User:Jay-Sebastos|'''''Jay''''']]</font> <sub><font color="#008999">[[Special:Contributions/Jay-Sebastos|'''Σεβαστός''']]</font></sub><sup><font color="#E3A857">[[User talk:Jay-Sebastos|discuss]]</font></sup> 21:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
-== Questions over birth/citizenship ==
-Elvis' birth certificate spells his middle name 'Aron' while state records (and alleged death records) spell it 'Aaron'.  This presents novel questions over the validity of his birth and death records, whether he is (or allegedly was) a US citizen, and whether he was born or died in the USA as many have claimed.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.160.178.3|173.160.178.3]] ([[User talk:173.160.178.3|talk]]) 17:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Even if the spelling is different (you give us no source for this), I can see no reason why a simple error could deprive Elvis of his citizenship. In any case, unless this is discussed in mainstream [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] it is of no relevance to this article - this is not a forum for wild speculations. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 17:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)