Talk:Core countries

Heads up

I want to give interested editors heads up that this article will likely a become a subject of an educational assignment aiming to expand it and raise to to a Good Article class over the next month or so. This assignment has led to good results in the past, but please note that with the exception of the course supervisor (myself) the new editors who will be working on this article are new to Wikipedia. Any assistance and guidance you can offer to them will be much appreciated, and let's keep this in mind :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Also students, I've asked a question in hidden format in the article, asking why Chiina is not considerd a core country now, as a bunch of stuff is made there. If anyone answers it, well, I'll think of a prize. Buggie111 (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

To Do List/Direction for the Article

Hi Group,

I was thinking that it may be a good idea to discuss old hegemonic powers - like we have learned about through our readings. So we could break down the article within the pre 13th century, and the 13th to 15th centuries. We could then break it down from the 15th century to the 18th century; and then from 18th century til the current time period.

I guess we should also define the terms semi-perphery and perphery countries and link them to it. Then maybe we could also talk about theories on who/which countries could become a future core country.

So we would need someone focusing on the following time periods (with the economy and focusing on the core countries)

1. pre 13th century
2. 13th to 15th century
3. 15th to 18th century
4. 18th to early 19th century
5. early 19th century to present

What does everyone think of this?

JuliaLynchPIT2010 (talk) 20:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I like setting it up like this. I would be willing to do the early 19th century till present, since that is what I have the most experience in. If someone else wants it though I'm willing to do any section

LBPearson (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I also like setting it up this way. However, I do think that we should define what a core country is before we give examples and things like that. We should define what a "core country" is and then define semi periphery and periphery also and link them. I can start the intro paragraph as I described and then everyone can pitch in and touch it hope how our group feels best about it. I would also be willing to take the 18th to 19th century core country section if this is ok with the rest of the group. Prg22 (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

May someone look at and answer my above question? (Also, to continue discussions, add a colon before your comment.) Buggie111 (talk) 21:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I can take the 13th to 15th century, if that's okay with everyone, or i could do whatever else is left. And to answer Buggie's question: Even though China is now a gigantic economy and supplier of goods to the whole world, to be a core, the standard of living of the Chinese has to increase, including better living conditions, higher wages, better health care, and more overall opportunities for the Chinese people. While there are still sweatshops (working for the western multinational corporations) in China, where people work for a few dollars a day, i don't think that China will be considered a core state. Sav12 (talk) 23:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Sav12. I didn't really see the "Strong middle class" part of the article. A rebuttal came to mind regarding all those Chineese entreupenuers I see, but I think they are too far, too few. I hope you get an A, and if possible, stay with Wikipedia and make this a featured article. Buggie111 (talk) 00:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I am glad to see a lively discussion here. I think your initial setup is a good start, but as Prg22 points out, you should avoid writing the "history of core countries" article - there is a little more to the subject than just the history. Definitions certainly are important. The article on Semi-periphery countries is a useful guide on which direction this article should go through (but mind you, this article failed short of a Good Article class - for reasons as to why, check the discussions on its talk page).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello Group! I don't mind doing 18th to early 19th century. I plan to use a bit of what we are reading in The Age of Empire and perhaps some outside sources, utilizing sources at the library and also whatever I may be able to find on Google Scholar. There was a lot of transitioning it seems during this period and I will discuss that as well. See you all tomorrow in class. AngGor (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Lets keep the format like this and have everyone do what they proposed they would do. We should make sure that we define and give some background along with examples of what core countries are though. I will start researching the 18th and 19th century as well as getting information on how to define what a core country is. After that I will start making the edits. We can then conversate as a group and decide what we should keep and what we should add. Prg22 (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

What is included in the Semi-Periphery Country section

SO I took Piotr's advice and here is how the Semi-Periphery project or page is broken out:

1. Sociologocial Theory (function)
2. History and Development

1. 13th century
2. 1300 - 1450
3. 1450 - 1700
4. 1700 - 1875
5. 1875 - 1914
6. 1914 - Today
7. Today

1. Effects
2. Examples

If we want to use this break down as a guide - then I would be willing to work on the Function (sociological theory) section and the Effects section. We don't have to break it out exactly as this other section but it is a good thing to base ours on. I think it would also be important to include a Definitions section - which maybe is something we could all work on together.

Here is my specific plan for what I plan to work on for the Function & Effects sections:

1. Read the Semi-periphery article (and if possible the periphery article)
2. Look up articles on definitions and the sociological theory behind Core Countries by using the Google Scholar website and Pitt's online academic website to find articles
3. Post what I have learned on this Talk page to inform my group mates of what resources were most helpful for me and what I have learned
4. Use the same resoureces to look up information on the Effects of Core Countries
5. Post what new information I have learned
6. Post what I have written for my sections to see what my groupmates think of it.
7. Assist group in what other areas need to be written.

Let me know what everyone thinks of this.

JuliaLynchPIT2010 (talk) 02:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Sergey's To-Do List

I see that there is a need for us to do more than a section each, if we are going to use the semi-periphery article as a guide. Therefore, here is my plan.

1. Take on the History and Development sections for 13th-15th centuries (ending in 1450), as well as the intro to the section
2. Use the materials from class, as well as other resources, to research the selected topic
3. Prepare encyclopedia-style entries, while coordinating them with Piotr
4. Post updates and any useful info on the talk page
5. Be there to help, if anyone needs it

Also, we'll need to find some illustrations so the page doesn't look too dry. Sav12 (talk) 03:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. On the topic of illustrations. My mind ( and seemingly the mind of the writers of Semi-periphery countries) would float to maps and diagrams instead of actual pictures, like a diagram of the hegemonic cycle, resource and quality of living diagrams for core coutnries of that era, and maybe just a couple of maps to illustrate the Holy Roman Empire, which I'm guessing was a core country in 1200-1450. Other thoughts from someone inside the project? Buggie111 (talk) 14:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Luke's To-Do List

I will take the History and Development from 1875-Today. I could also go 1700-Today if need be. I'll do anything else if we need it too.

1. Use materials from classes and the library and online journals to research the topic
2. Use that research to write sections for the wikipedia page
3. post updates
4. talk with group mates to find out what sections I can help with.

LBPearson (talk) 06:22, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Patrick's To-Do List

I will take the 16th-17th century and I will start the introduction paragraph that will start defining what core countries are.

1. Use class materials, google books, and other reliable internet resources to find out information on my topic
2. Start the introduction paragraph and start defining the core country term
3. Start my section of the 16th-17th century after I get the introduction underway
4. Finalize other group members to-do lists

Prg22 (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Angie's To-Do List

I plan to:

1. Utilize the books we already have, namely The Age of Empire as I believe the first chapter talks exclusively about my time period.
2. To search for other sources at:

• Google Books
• Hillman Library
• Carnegie Library
• Etc.

1. Also, to make edits as often as possible.
2. To help my group mates (if the opportunity ever arrises and it's not just me who needs help.)

Should be snappy, gang.

Useful Resources

The Modern World System, I.Wallerstein http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/Class%209%20-%20The%20World%20System%20Perspective.pdf

Globalization and Inequality of Nations, P. Krugman, A. Venables http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2946642.pdf

Legitimacy and Comparative Economic Success at the Core of the World System: An Exploratory Study, V.Bornschier http://www.jstor.org/stable/522337

Books: The historical foundation of world order: the tower and the arena, D. Johnston Civilizations and world systems: studying world-historical change, S.Sanderson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sav12 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Sav12 (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)