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== Einstein was not Jewish == |
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Einstein letter shows disdain for religion: |
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Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1951333/Einstein-thought-religions-were-'childish'.html |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion |
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http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/05/einstein_god_is_human_weakness_1.html <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Babakmd|Babakmd]] ([[User talk:Babakmd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Babakmd|contribs]]) 14:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Please read our article and understand the difference between a religious follower of [[Judaism]] and an ethnic [[Jew]]. The two classes of people have a large overlap, but are quite different. According to most interpretations, all 4 combinations are possible. [[Who is a Jew?]] might be useful, too. --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] ([[User talk:Stephan Schulz|talk]]) 14:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:: But others documents dont say this. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.237.243.140|64.237.243.140]] ([[User talk:64.237.243.140|talk]]) 01:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Umm... Can we put "Non-Religious" under his religious stance in the infobox? I was looking for his religious stance and after reading the whole religious views section, it became pretty obvious that he was not religious during the latter part of his life (which is the one that should be mentioned in the infobox). [[User:Hamsterlopithecus|Hamsterlopithecus]] ([[User talk:Hamsterlopithecus|talk]]) 22:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::His religious stance defies classification. Most anything you could say about it in a few words could be negated by an Einstein quote—in this case, "… in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man." —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 00:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Review on new book == |
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Ohanian, Hans C., ''[http://www.latimes.com/features/books/la-ca-hans-ohanian12-2008oct12,0,2289223.story Einstein's Mistakes: The Human Failings of Genius]'', W.W. Norton, 2008. [[User:Gwen Gale|Gwen Gale]] ([[User talk:Gwen Gale|talk]]) 07:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Just telling you! == |
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I thought Einstien was very religious. I thought he also read the Bible five times. By the way, he was not Jewish. I'm agreeing with the article or whatever it was up top. P. S. I think you need to change it or "update it." [[User:Coralandstarr|Coralandstarr]] ([[User talk:Coralandstarr|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:This is my nominee for talk page post of the year. -TremorMilo (sorry not logged in) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.218.53.49|66.218.53.49]] ([[User talk:66.218.53.49|talk]]) 02:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: Indeed, this talk page post is pure gold. Just wanted to say I enjoyed reading this article thoroughly, great sourcing throughout. Are there any other statues of Einstein? [[Special:Contributions/13.16.137.12|13.16.137.12]] ([[User talk:13.16.137.12|talk]]) 13:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Unified Field Theory == |
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I don't understand the following sentences from the above section as they don't make much sense: |
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"Although he continued to be lauded for his work in theoretical physics, Einstein became increasingly isolated in his research, and his attempts were ultimately unsuccessful." |
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His attempts at what - formulating a unified field theory maybe? |
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"In his pursuit of a unification of the fundamental forces, he ignored some mainstream developments in physics (and vice versa), most notably the strong and weak nuclear forces, which were not well understood until many years after Einstein's death." |
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What does vice versa mean here - that he was ignored by some mainstream developments. First of all you can be ignored by a person but not by a development, and secondly, if his attempts were unsuccessful what was there to be ignored? [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 00:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I've fixed it now, the unnecessary paragraph break made the first sentence difficult to understand and I've removed "and vice-versa" |
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== "Schooling" dispute == |
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I have Asperger's syndrome, and taking that into account, we're pretty sure that Einstein had Asperger's as well. I know that Asperger people learn in different ways than normal people. From what I heard, I'm certain that Einstein failed arithmetic. And it seems to me that these sources written in the 2000s that say he was a top student in elementary school are done by leftists who want to rewrite history. |
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Let me note that it is commonly written that FDR was a great US President and that his New Deal got the US out of the Great Depression, all of which is very doubtful. We believe that hiring more people for jobs would better do the trick rather than more federal gov't intervention. We believe it was the entry into World War II that really ended the Depression. |
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Unless you guys have some really good reasoning why I shouldn't leave this "top student" part out, I don't think it should stay. Let's try three days, if there's no response to this, I will proceed to remove this sourced note. [[User:Marcus2|Marcus2]] ([[User talk:Marcus2|talk]]) 23:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Einstein was a good student in school. The "Einstein failed arithmetic" meme came from a misunderstanding of the Swiss grading system, which used higher numerical grades to signify better performance (as opposed to the German system, where 1 is the best grade and 6 is the worst). See e.g. [http://physics.about.com/b/2007/09/19/physics-myth-month-einstein-failed-mathematics.htm], [http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/06/23/1115185.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience], [http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html] --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] ([[User talk:Stephan Schulz|talk]]) 23:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I don't quite understand the first sentence in your post - why does the fact that you have Asperger's mean that you know Einstein had it? However, putting that aside, you say "from what I heard" Einstein failed arithmetic. Unfortunately because you think you've heard something somewhere that doesn't mean you can start deleting referenced information from wikipedia. If you can find a reference to say he failed mathematics then by all means put it in as a qualification to what's already there. As for the stuff about "leftists trying to rewrite history" that's your own point of view, which you are entitled to, but wikipedia is all about [[wp:verifiability|verifiability]], not what you or I think is true. I've heard too that Einstein may have had Asperger's but I think you will find that the general consensus is that making a medical diagnosis of someone who is no longer alive is very unreliable. However, if you can find some references about the possibility of him having Asperger's, I think it would make an interesting addition to the article [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 00:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Well said, Richerman. I learned my lesson about removing sources from articles. That's why I brought this up on the talk page before the possibility of reverting it! I recently informed another Wikipedian that he was removing sourced material, so I reverted his edits. You may think I don't get the picture, but I do. [[User:Marcus2|Marcus2]] ([[User talk:Marcus2|talk]]) 00:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::also please dont accuse 'leftists' of doing anything you don't like - clearly any uninformed person would assume, by what you have written, that 'rightists' are ignorant fools who want to rewrite history according to their misconceptions. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.158.183.6|71.158.183.6]] ([[User talk:71.158.183.6|talk]]) 01:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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