Template talk:London Gazette

Preferred method of citation?

Is this template the preferred method for citing the London Gazette?

I came across this citation on the World Wide Web article and it struck me as overly long and involved. Also not sure why they included the archived portion.

Would it be better as this?

Thanks Trillkat (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Generally, yes; but you omitted the access-date. Not that it matters much, the LG is invariant. Filling in |title=Diplomatic and Overseas List, K.B.E. helps to find the appropriate part of the page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Redrose64: OK, I will go ahead and change the citation on the page, but remember to add access date and title bit. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trillkat (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Edinburgh and Belfast -- redirect or transclude?

It is very misleading (not to mention London-centric) that {{Edinburgh Gazette}} and {{Belfast Gazette}} redirect to {{London Gazette}}. You still have to add the |city=e even when using {{Edinburgh Gazette}}, otherwise it just gives you a spurious London Gazette reference instead. Is there some performance reason why Edinburgh and Belfast can't transclude London and default the |city=? (Of course for backward compatibility this default must be overridable to handle the existing uses.) jnestorius^(talk) 23:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Point. I have hacked {{Edinburgh Gazette/sandbox}} so that it calls {{London Gazette}} with |city=e

{{London Gazette |issue=13610|page=1571|date=2 July 1920|city=e}} – reference with |city=e

"No. 13610". The Edinburgh Gazette. 2 July 1920. p. 1571.

{{Edinburgh Gazette/sandbox |issue=13610|page=1571|date=2 July 1920}} – sandbox without |city=e

"No. 13610". The Edinburgh Gazette. 2 July 1920. p. 1571.

and, if you want (why?), you can override:

{{Edinburgh Gazette/sandbox |issue=13610|page=1571|date=2 July 1920|city=b}}

"No. 13610". The Belfast Gazette. 2 July 1920. p. 1571.

Is this what you are looking for?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Thanks jnestorius^(talk) 07:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

{{Belfast Gazette}}, {{Edinburgh Gazette}}, and {{Oxford Gazette}} are now wrappers around {{London Gazette}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Add parameter for Notices?

Can we add a parameter to link to notices? For example the Duke of Norfolk's appointment to the Royal Victorian Order: [1]. It could be linked as:
{{London Gazette| notice = 4086998| date = 2 June 2022 }} -- Zimbabweed (talk) 23:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Can we talk about the formatting?

The display text is just really awkward, ungainly, let's just say ugly, etc.:

"No. 28994". The London Gazette (Supplement). 1 December 1914. p. 10278.

I mean, the Issue number comes first. Who does that? It seems very non-aligned with the Harvard name-date approach of most WP stuff. So I went to their website (at both Web Links and Data) to see how they like to be linked:

If you would like to refer to a specific edition (London, Edinburgh or Belfast) you can say: 'Recorded in The Gazette (London Gazette), issue 60630, 17 September 2013'

I assume we have the liberty to ditch "Recorded in", and add a page number, so we end up with:

The Gazette (London Gazette), issue 60630, 17 September 2013, p. 238

That at least is a beginning of a reasonable format. You could tweak my suggestion to taste, but the current display is an aesthetic detraction. Pinging Trappist the monk. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 09:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• OK, oops, the article I was editing (Archibald Wavell, 1st Earl Wavell; need to add titles now) did not populate any titles in the London Gazette template, so the output looked strange. Issue Number was treated as Title, and displayed as such... I think it would be better to display the output as I described above if title is omitted, but adding titles when editing the article is better still.... sometimes the title is just "Whitehall" and the date, which again seems odd (oddly repetitive):

"Whitehall, September 13, 1949". The London Gazette. No. 38712. 13 September 1949. p. 4397

...and date is a required field... § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 12:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The ping didn't work.

The change you want is not likely to happen. {{London Gazette}} uses {{cite magazine}} to render the citation. Like all cs1|2 templates, {{cite magazine}} requires a title. Because as you note, London Gazette titles (if they can be called titles) are most often meaningless or repetitive, this template has adopted the convention of using the issue number as a pseudo-title. Only a significant rewrite of this template that provides the functionality supplied by Module:Citation/CS1, will get you what you want.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The ping only works if the date stamp on the sig is your most recent on that page, so you have to change the sig on the ping every time you edit, which I forgot to do... It's OK, thanks! I appreciate your time. :-) § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 13:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

No. The ping didn't work because you wrote this: [[User|Trappist the monk]] (a piped link to User, a dab page). You should have written [[User:Trappist the monk]].

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Senility approacheth on pingless feet. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 14:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

you have to change the sig on the ping every time you edit That will never work, because per WP:MENTION, it won't be a new comment.--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I try to find a meaningful title to put in the |title= parameter, something that is unique on the page and ideally at the top of the relevant section. So instead of

• Official Middle East Despatches December 1940 to February 1941 published in "No. 37628". The London Gazette (Supplement). 25 June 1946. pp. 3261–3269.

I would put

• "Operations in the Western Desert from December 7th, 1940, to February 7th, 1941". The London Gazette (Supplement). No. 37628. 25 June 1946. pp. 3261–3269.

Notice how it is now the title which is linked, not the issue number. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

...but as we said earlier (Whitehall etc.), the little subheadings are often trivial. The few I've looked at were always so. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 14:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• "Brigade Majors". The London Gazette (Supplement). No. 28994. 1 December 1914. p. 10278.

There's always something. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)