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Oregon; New Spain

ITS Missing ceded to great britain in 1846 portion of the oregon country. it difinatly needs a ceded to new spain in 1819. 69.208.14.17 (talk) 03:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody listens to people who write "difinatly." Doggitydogs (talk) 23:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that editor's first language is not English. 86.181.201.75 (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The (sloppy) English of mr. 69.208 is not the main problem, but he is too vague about what might be missing exactly. --Corriebertus (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont

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Vermont was not part of the territory of the original 13 states. It was not one of the "13 colonies" and was independent as the Vermont Republic from 1777 (after its own declaration of independence from Britain) to 1791, when it became a state. Jeff in CA 21:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

West Florida

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The territory of West Florida came under British rule in 1763. Britain enlarged the territory by moving its northern border further north into existing British territory, so as to re-align a large part of the current area of Mississippi and Alabama. Britain ceded West Florida to Spain in the 1783 Treaty of Paris. Spain insisted on the British boundary; the U.S. claimed the boundary should be the old pre-1763 boundary. With the implementation of Pinckney's Treaty between Spain and the U.S. in 1795, this extended area north of the old 1763 boundary of West Florida became the Mississippi territory of the U.S. The point is that, at the very least, in 1783 this area was in dispute about whether it was part of the territory of the original 13 states. Jeff in CA 22:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Maine, New Hampshire / New Brunswick, Quebec / Indian Stream

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The Treaty of Paris in 1783 left the northern boundary of Maine with New Brunswick in dispute, with Great Britain claiming the northern part of Maine. Also, the border between New Hampshire and Quebec was imprecisely defined. The New Hampshire ambiguity led to the self-declared independence of the small Republic of Indian Stream in the 1830s. Finally both of these disputes were settled by the Webster-Ashburton Treaty in 1842. The point is that a large area of Maine claimed by the U.S. in 1783 did not end up as Maine, and the disputed area was not a definite part of the territory of the original 13 states in 1783. Jeff in CA 22:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Minnesota

Additionally, there were disputes between the United States and Great Britain over Treaty of Paris granted lands in Minnesota that were also resolved by the Webster-Ashburton Treaty. 64.107.114.99 (talk) 00:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Webster-Ashburnton treaty

Disappointed by the map's lack of mentioning the Webster-Ashburnton treaty. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

The titling “Territory of the Original Thirteen States (Ceded by Great Britain) 1783” for that large brown area on the map seems incorrect. For example take a look in Wisconsin, § History: never was that land part of any of the Thirteen Colonies that in 1776 declared themselves the 13 independent and United States of America.
Territories such as Wisconsin may well have been ceded by Britain to those U.S.A. (as federation) in 1783. But -- assuming that to have been the case -- that is no good reason to misleadingly state (in that titling on our map) that such areas were ever part of any of those 13 founding colonies/states. A more correct title would therefore be: 'The Original Thirteen States, and the other territories ceded by Britain in 1783 to the U.S.A.'.
I'm aware that the map seems to be taken from some real existing 'National Atlas'. But that's no good reason to copy mistakes from that Atlas, in the case we come to a conclusion that it contains errors (as I argue here).
Is anyone able to modify such Wikimedia maps (provided ofcourse we reach a consensus on the need for it)? --Corriebertus (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All that land north and west of the Ohio River was claimed by several of the original states. Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, and Virginia all had competing claims over it, with Connecticut's and Virginia's being the strongest. From what I can tell, as of the Treaty of Paris there was no land in the country not claimed by a state, the first non-state territories weren't made until the North-West Territory in 1787. See File:United_States_land_claims_and_cessions_1782-1802.png. --Golbez (talk) 15:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Golbez. The map title isn't saying that it shows only the thirteen states themselves, but describes it as showing the "territory" of those states. And, at first, those states did have claims (some of them conflicting) on various portions of the additional territory. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I notice then, that both Golbez and NYActuary agree that those lands north and west of the Ohio River were in 1783 not part of any of those thirteen founding states. Next question: is anyone capable of adjusting such a Wikimedia map? --Corriebertus (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Er. No? They were part of the states, especially Connecticut and Virginia? They were not necessarily part of the colonies but they were absolutely considered part of the states. I don't like the way you just reversed our words, both the intent and actual statements. --Golbez (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreeing again with Golbez. And just to be clear, Corriebertus -- we're saying that the titling is fine and does not need to be changed. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. For example: Virginia had a sea-to-sea claim. Before 1783, their actual territory stopped at the Proclamation Line. But their claim extended much further. Great Britain ceded all land south of Canada and east of the Mississippi River and north of Florida, so these claims suddenly became relevant. All of the land north and west of the Ohio River was part of, or claimed by, at least one state. No change needs to be made. See: Territorial evolution of the United States --Golbez (talk) 13:58, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]