Talk:History of education in Wales before 1701

History of education in Wales before 1701 is currently an Education good article nominee. Nominated by Llewee (talk) at 14:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Llewee (talk · contribs) 14:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 12:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi It is a wonderful world, thank you for doing this review. You seem to have done a review of History of education in Wales before 1701. I would suggest copying this review to a review of that page. Apologies, for the overuse of the word review in this paragraph.--Llewee (talk) 12:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right! Not sure how I managed to do that. Will copy it now. It is a wonderful world (talk) 12:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
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Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Comments

Lead

Per MOS:DASH, there should be no spaces around the em dashes.

though later in the period it ~~had~~ expanded to the wider social elite: Better wording

some experiments in educating a wider group of children took place in second half of the 17th century: What happened to these experiments?

some Welshmen studied at universities in England or continental Europe: Make it make sense

Women and girls were excluded from grammar schools and universities: Is "education" or "all education" better than "grammar schools and universities", especially since there were no universities in Wales?

Roman and medieval eras

In the period after Roman withdrawal from Great Britain, literacy in what is today Wales was largely restricted to the clergy: Insert that comma to separate the introductory clause

the work they did: Can be simplified to "their work"

Throughout much of the Middle Ages, even the highest-ranking members of the lay population could often go without formal education: Another comma to separate the introductory clause

Aristocratic children could receive their education through private tuition, but those aiming for a career in the Church would usually attend grammar schools, which were generally linked to cathedrals.: Remove ambiguity

The impact of the Black Death and the Glyndŵr rebellion harmed the Welsh elite's prospects for education: How and to what extent?

, but there was a steady expansion in the 15th century: was it really steady if it was being harmed by the Glyndŵr rebellion?

However, the growth of formal education was slower in Wales than in England. In Wales, formal education remained almost entirely dominated by the Church until after 1500: Adding commas for readability, "after 1500" is extremely vague, can a more precise timing be used?

Will continue the review later, probably when my book arrives.

Sources

I bought "History of Education in Wales" and am waiting for it to arrive. I'll do the sources review then.