Draft talk:High Frontier (board game)

Bios:Earth

(For editor's reference only) Titles that are part of the Bios:Earth campaign, in chronological and play order:

Bios: Genesis: covering approximately the first 4,100 million years of Earth's existence since its formation, from Archean, through Hadean to Proterozoic eons; players' main goal is to establish life in the form of bacteria that may later evolve into marine or terrestrial macroorganisms.
Bios: Megafauna 2nd Edition and Bios: Mesofauna: covering Paleozoic, Cenozoic and Mesozoic eras (approx. 500 million years to 2 million years BC); these two games focus on the evolution of macroorganism (Megafauna) or insect (Mesofauna) species as they try adapt to geological events, changes in trophic levels and meteorology, through mutations, emotional development and ultimately some form of speech. Both games can be played separately or combined as a continuation to Bios: Genesis, and their final state can be imported into the next title, Bios: Origins.
Bios: Origins 2nd Edition: a civilization game covering the last 200,000 years of history, where different human species - such a Neanderthals and Hobbits - compete to settle, domesticate, develop technologies and shape the political landscape of their ever-changing societies.
High Frontier 4 All: focuses on the exploration of the solar system from year 2020 to 2124, with the goal of establishing colonies and industries beyond Earth's orbit and eventually prepare for an ad astra mission to bring humans to the stars.
Interstellar: follows the pilgrimage of a scanty crew of human cyborgs and their helping machines to star systems beyond Sol, in order to find a habitable planet and preserve human biological and ideological legacies.
Arrival (in development): a game about life evolving out of range of our solar system, intended as a sequel to Interstellar.

AlMad81 (talk) 12:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A draft is a draft is a draft

Until accepted, I will use this draft to continue translating, possibly into other languages, in symbiosis with the editor of the (original) Spanish entry.

Even within the Board game project, I am surprised other less mainstream and unimportant titles have made the cut yet nothing has been written about Sierra Madre Games, and High Frontier in particular. But the English Wikipedia has a convoluted, rather strict and somewhat obscure - for new editors at least - set of rules for adding or editing content and the absolute minimum amount of feedback provided, in comments and in AfC is not terribly constructive.

Since I am not here to write a novel or suffer any kind of frustration, I will - upon repeated decline or outright rejection - eventually blog this article elsewhere and delete this one. Quite some research has gone into the writing and it would be a pity to let it go to waste.

So I encourage anybody to contribute to it while it is a live draft on Wikipedia. AlMad81 (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlMad81: Each language's Wikipedia has its own rules and standards, and en-wiki's standards are more stringent than most. But it's not about whether a topic is "mainstream" or "important", it's about whether there is sufficient sourcing which is significant, reliable and independent of the game, the designer, and/or the publisher. As for other titles, beware of arguments based on "other stuff exists"--it may be that those other articles may not be up to snuff either, but nobody's gotten around to improving (or deleting) them. From one HF player to another: don't sweat it, just do the best you can. There's no deadlines. --Finngall ^talk 17:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback and encouragement. AlMad81 (talk) 06:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to change title

Title of the article should be High Frontier (board game). It appears an entry was started and never edited with content: High Frontier (board game)

Should be deleted at some point? AlMad81 (talk) 10:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlMad81: If the article is accepted for mainspace, the reviewer can decide if the disambiguation is needed. Until then, unless there's an unrelated "high frontier" topic in draftspace, the current title is fine. --Finngall ^talk 17:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No way forward

Comment: There are large unsourced sections. BoardGameGeek is still used, despite previous comments warning not to use the crowd-sourced resource. Other sources are primary and don't help establish notability. Medium is not a reliable source if not from experts, and in the article, the author states he is not a subject-matter expert; "When I started this project, I had never used or studied graph theory beyond being aware of the basic idea." UserMemer (chat) Tribs 16:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The comment above after last submission. After having perused Wikipedia's pages for a number of other games, I have a hard time thinking how it is possible that links to Board Game Geek, the largest resource on the planet for board games, have not entirely sunk the Board and Table games project for the Wikipedia. If the same feedback I received for this article would have been applied to other titles, I don't think we would have much information on board games in here at all.

I will not be editing this draft any further. To whoever is more experienced with writing for the English Wikipedia, has played this wonderful game and thinks is worthy of having its own page: you are welcome to bring the necessary changes to save this draft before it is removed. AlMad81 (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]