User talk:Levivich

Support your allegation or strike it

Re: [1] and this statement in particular: "such as edits that purport to say that non-Jewish Poles were the primary targets and victims of the Holocaust.". AFAIK MMA has NEVER said anything resembling that (only thing I recall is him saying that originally Auschwitz was a camp for Poles, which is not the same thing at all). If you're going to make a statement like that, which, if false, constitutes a disgusting personal attack, you better support it.

The false accusations and statements that you guys are concocting out of thin air just to support FR are getting more ridiculous by the minute. Volunteer Marek 17:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Please don't bullshit me, Marek. You and I both know that this discussion, in which Molobo says In context of overall genocidal policies within Poland carried out by Nazi Germany Poles consituted the largest group affected and should be mentioned first, with minorities later, to justify this edit (among others), is just one example among discussions on many talk pages about this. Discussions that you participated in. Discussions that you were warned not to participate in because of your TBAN. (By the way, you're violating your TBAN by posting here about this topic. Defending others isn't a BANEX exception.)

Look, you know I haven't got involved in this topic area in months, mostly because I genuinely felt bad about the reports of the off-wiki harassment you received. There's been plenty of edits on my watchlist that I have ignored, such as your recent tag-team edit-warring (I can diff that, if you'd like). I think we're both better off without me getting involved again, don't you agree? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:25, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Noting here in case Levivitch missed it that this edit was made (and then correctly, imo promptly rethought). Mdaniels5757 (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

[2] François Robere (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

PainMan

I sympathise with your argument at AE and I don't want to see sanctions on an established editor who does little harm and lot of good. The original issue though is edit-warring. That's now compounded by tirades like the one at User talk:Johnuniq #PainMan situation and the subsequent one when they edited an archive to add a further rant.

I can't read those without worrying that they are just going to plough ahead without being willing to take advice about how to avoid trouble. Without any concessions from PainMan, the optics are all wrong for taking no action. If you have any sway with them, can you do anything to get some sort of recognition of the concerns and some sort of assurance that they will take steps not to cross lines going forward? Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel your pain, man. EEng 23:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

PackMecEng (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

RexxS, that doesn't seem to be an issue for AE though. Also, can you find me another country that has its prime minister article not at "Prime Minister of XXX" but at their own internal language? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: Unfortunately for your reasoning, there is an issue currently at AE. I didn't come here to be cross-examined by you, but our article Taoiseach states "Taoiseach is the official title of the head of government in both English and Irish". If you're interested in words that have come into the English language from Irish over the years you can consult List of English words of Irish origin. I could also suggest "[beyond the] Pale" and the Dáil (which has acquired an anglicised plural when used in English). The consensus at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles #Use of Taoiseach looks pretty clear. If you disagree, I suggest that you take up your argument there, rather than with me. --RexxS (talk) 00:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RexxS, firstly, this is at AE because someone brought it to AE, not that it belongs at AE, all one has to do is close with no action. Secondly, Taoiseach isn't at "List of words of Irish origin." Thank you for pointing me to that MOS, which doesn't make sense since every foreign word can be redirected, yet we don't do that for other foreign ministers of other countries. I'm not taking up any argument with you so no need to get snippy. All I said was that this was no violation of a TBAN and to expand a TBAN merely because someone brought an AE action is wrong. To sanction someone for adding "Prime Minister" after Taoiseach is ludicrous. Do you really think most English speaking people know that the Taoiseach is the PM of Ireland? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: I won't close the AE as "no action" as things stand at present, because I have no confidence that we won't be back here again in another month's time if I were to do that. I know that Taoiseach isn't at "List of words of Irish origin.", but neither are Pale or Dáil, although we use all of them regularly in English (well I do anyway, and I only speak from myself, not the rest of the English-speaking world). I'm glad you're not arguing with me, but I have to say it just doesn't give that appearance. Hence the snippyness. I just try to uphold our policies and the relevant consensus without getting involved in taking sides. I came here to solicit help from Levivich to try to persuade PainMan to "throw us a bone", so that we don't have to sanction him. I'm sorry if my appearance here has been misunderstood. --RexxS (talk) 01:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RexxS, You seem to be missing the point people are making. Any recent disturbance isn't an AE action because the edits aren't in the TBAN area. If someone finds the edits troublesome, then they should go to ANEW or 3RR, and they can do so in another month as well, but the current edits are out of scope for AE.

Also, keep in mind that while you may use Pale or Dáil regularly, could that be because you live in the UK? (unless you mean pale as in "white?") Most English speakers don't live in the UK (or Ireland) and have no idea what Taoiseach (or Dáil) means. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the note, RexxS. I don't have any sway but I'll post a message on his talk page in a couple of hours. I agree those diffs are problematic. This is a situation where the "bill of indictment" does not list the "crimes"; the AE report lists one set of diffs, but the problematic diffs are a separate set of diffs, and I think that's what's giving rise to sharply different views of the case. Also, I think there's been some honest miscommunication here because this editor is a mobile editor and may not receive notifications, even of posts to their user talk page (I can attest to missing notification of user talk page posts on mobile, it's unreliable). I noticed that before the AE in February, they hadn't edited their own talk page in seven years. I looked at their xtools and saw that they've made more edits in the last four months than in the prior seven years, and have almost no edits to project space, and very few talk page edits at all. This editor, despite the age of their account, may be totally unaware of DS, AE, noticeboards in general, etc. None of that excuses incivility or edit warring, of course, but it does provide an AGF explanation for not participating at AE and then editing the AE archive. So I'm happy to post something on his talk page in a little bit, but I'm not sure if he'll see it. But it's definitely worth a shot. Cheers, Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you for the note you left, User:Levivich. I very much appreciate it. I hope I'm not screwing up the formatting my posting this where it is. Some of the posting etiquette has always been mysterious to me. I realize if I'd engaged sooner things would been better.

The mobile app is in a pitiable state, that's true. But it's perfectly usable for minor edits. Anything more than a couple lines of texts and I have to grab the laptop. Since 99% of my edits are minor, it's ok. The only annoying part is that it doesn't always show the edit without multiple refreshes. I really wish someone would give it a refresh. It sorely needs it.

I'm an idiot. I know very well how controversial anything surrounding the Troubles - not to mention Anglo-Irish history/relations in general. So I should have been more sensitive to that. So, as I said before, I should have taken that into account.

I'll stay out of the Troubles articles for the indefinite future even if the TB is lifted.

Thanks again. I hope you're holding up well in the Madness.

PainMan (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm happy to help, PainMan! Glad it's over with now. Hope you're holding up well in this madness, as well–looking forward to this being over with, too! Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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Dynamic IPs

Saw your statement over at ANRFC while I was dropping by recently. And I just thought I'd let you know that checking the contribs of a dynamic IP is not that complicated. In most cases this can be done by a suffixing the address with the number of significant bits using CIDR notation, for example 108.30.194.37/24. The mediawiki software supports checks on ranges as wide as /16 for IPV4 addresses and /32 for IPV6 addresses. For clarity most IPs these days, likely including yours, are dynamically allocated, it's just a question of network settings as to how quickly they will hop as to whether it's minutes or months, with the main exception being large businesses/organizations more details

Going from general to specific, you are engaging with a Verizon user at 2600:1004:B100:0:0:0:0:0/40 (there are many online tools available to help calculate ranges). This IP range is shared by many users within a small region and therefore a little busy, but it actually isn't that hard to pick apart contribs if you know what you are looking for as user behavior always offers the chance for analysis. In this case given that you are primarily curious about user talk page posts. The search contributions offers the ability to narrow by namespace, once this is done the result is this and it's fairly evident that all or nearly all recent posts are made by the same person. You could also broaden the range just to be sure. Be advised, this kind of analysis really only helps when someone is not deliberately seeking to obscure their actions, if that's the case they will actively switch between differrent networks they have access to which may be provided by different ISPs, the geolocate function might give you some indication for the amateurs so long as it is used with caution as there are many reasons it can be off by large margins, but the really determined ones will use both open and secure proxies along with VPNs and unblocked TOR exit nodes and it will be necessary to use behavior alone to make the connection.

If you have other questions feel free to ask, I had to change the sig due to MOS:COLOR. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Spec, that's extremely helpful! I was just about to go find somebody to ask this exact question–you've read my mind. Bummer about the sig; I recently had to change mine, too. I like your new one as well, though. I admit the whole "spectrum" motif is cool for an IP editor. I look forward to meeting your friends, Bandwidth and Handshake ;-) Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Most sanctionable article possible

Per the GS/DS discussion, I'm trying to come up with an article topic that hits as many sanctions topics as possible. I'm thinking...

• A person of South Asian descent who was born into a caste (GS/Caste) - bonus points for working India-Pakistan conflicts (DS/ARBIP) into it
• Who then moved to the United States and got into politics (DS/AP2) with strong opinions on gun control (DS/Gun Control)
• Briefly joined WWE (GS/PW)
• Member the Church of Scientology (DS/Scientology)
• Started their own cryptocurrency (GS/Crypto) which was backed by e-cigs (DS/e-cigarettes)
• And is currently over the age of 100 (DS/Longevity)

Maybe I should just make bingo cards out of the DS/GS topics one of these days. creffett (talk) 19:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

• Picks up covid and tries chloroquine (Pseudoscience) based on Trump's (Genetically modified organism) recommendation. EEng 19:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
• The real white whale is the "OmniSanction", which would be the infobox of a hypothetical BLP that covered all GS/DS areas. Some ideas:
  • Born in Kashmir and/or active in Kashmiri politics should work for DS/IP
  • Left Prem Rawat to join a Falun Gong sect on Senkaku Islands
  • Married a WWE wrestler in a Church of Scientology ceremony, but was excommunicated after advocating "safe" acupuncture-induced abortions
  • A political scientist who has written about The Troubles, PIA, etc. (is that too easy of a way out?)
  • What would this biography be named? General San Shun? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

    Don't forget that infoboxes themselves are subject to their own sanctions! creffett (talk) 19:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

    • Went to the UK to fight in The Troubles, but while there visited Shakespeare's grave and decided that he wasn't the real deal. Then got an abortion because they knew that they couldn't give their child a Waldorf education (Also, we seriously had a case about Waldorf education?? Talk about LAME) CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

      I prefer Statler education, myself creffett (talk) 20:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

      • He then goes on a trip to Israel and then suffers from Jerusalem Syndrome and becomes a member of the Hilltop Youth. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

        Am I the only one who is perpetually mixing up ARBIP and ARBPIA? Couldn't we have picked some other letter set? Maybe we'll have discretionary sanctions on beer, call it ARBIPA, and everything will implode. creffett (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

        Creffett, yep, and if I wanted to make a stink I would complain about the order and say it's not far that Israel is after even though it's alphabetically first. I think it's because ARBCOM did the India-Pakistan first, which is my hunch but I don't know if that is surprising or just the way things are. Then again, we are up to ARBPIA 4 I think. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

        • Who says it's a "he"? Surely this person is a female scientist (WP:ARBGGTF) with an unusually-capitalized name (WP:ARBATC). –dlthewave ☎ 01:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
          • Should I drop a DS notice on this page for all the topics that have been mentioned? Natureium (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

          Empress-General san Shun? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• I think the game should be to find an actual article ticking the largest number of boxes. I'll start: Noam Chomsky. EEng 03:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  I see your Chomsky and raise you Chelsea Manning. There's got to be a technical way to figure out which article is under the most DS, like by tracking template transclusions or something. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  Good move. EEng 03:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  Depends - are we looking for the article which is currently under the most sanctions, or the one which could be placed under the most sanctions? I spent some time mucking around with the categories and templates involved, I think you're on the right track, but let's make sure we're all playing by the same rules here. creffett (talk) 03:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  Could be placed, for sure. EEng 03:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  I wanted to say that your best bet would be a biography (probably BLP) of someone from South Asia (India-Pakistan, caste, one or two others), but I realized that I'm being a little myopic - US politics will easily hit as many sanctions. creffett (talk) 17:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  Even more sanctionable than Manning's article is the article about Julian Assange himself. What we're looking for is someone who gets themselves involved in like every high-profile, ultra-complicated controversy they can find; basically, the real-world version of Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  I was thinking Assange as well. But really, when you think it over, I'd like to see someone argue that Trump isn't probably the all-time editing clusterfuck magnet. EEng 22:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  My favorite Onion article on Noam: "FBI Agent Still Tasked With Following Noam Chomsky Around Prepares For Another Day In Local Panera"...the Onion really hit the nail on the head there, Noam now works at the same University I do (which is kinda funny cus we are...not very prestigious) and we do indeed have a Panera right on campus that Noam Chomsky does in fact eat at. His classes are attended mostly by old folks who just want a chance to argue with him :P CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 03:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

  It's sad, but I got about 2/3 way through still thinking that was real. That reminds me -- I've been wondering, are stalkers working from home now? [3] EEng 03:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• Just add that someone was smoking an e-cig while playing video games on their cell phone, eating GMO popcorn and watching a Trump rally on their smart tv, right in the middle of a bombing by [name your favorite terrorist group]. Scared citizens were running out of their homes with AR15s, tryig to stop unidentified immigrants from crossing their borders, when lo and behold, thousands of women came marching down the street wearing pink hats, chanting vitamins are good for you. Not far down the street, a chiropractor had his table setup next to an accupuncturist that was renting space under an awning. And on that note, I'm calling it a night. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration preliminary statement exceeding word limit

Hi, Levivich. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Mottainai. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; in any event, concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the arbitrators.

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For the Arbitration Committee, CThomas³ (talk) 00:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I requested an extension in my statement. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Somewhat related, the edits the Ip made were revdeled, not oversighted. They consisted of some standard rude language no personal info or the like. I think it was an unrelated LTA trying to bait Hijiri, or some other old enemy. Moneytrees🌴^{Talk🌲Help out at CCI!} 16:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Moneytrees, thanks for the info! Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Fun game you can play at home

1. Find a company that's reported to be price gouging during the pandemic
2. Add the content to their article
3. See how long it takes until a new account improves your edit

Can anyone beat 19h39m? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

please look at the evidence before repeating a bogus claim

I have Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists bookmarked and regularly look at it. So do others. If some of us are also in the Article Rescue Squadron then it doesn't matter. Have all of us not participated in plenty of list article discussions before which were not tagged for Rescue assistance? Did we all participate in list article discussions of list on that list earlier that week? I don't want to waste time sorting through things. If there is a bot to check for all "list of" articles that ever went to AFD and how many each of us has participated in, then check those to see what a smaller percentage of them were flagged for Rescue, then so be it. Otherwise please don't continue to spread that false claim against us. Some of us have even taken lists articles about to be deleted and transwikied them to the list wikia/fandom at https://list.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus Dream Focus 19:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Dream Focus, what "false claim"? Surely you don't deny that you and Hijiri have been fighting for years? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Your statement that: "Following up on the article List of fictional counties discussed above, when it was AFD'd in March 2020, 7&6 listed it at ARS [102] [103], which would not be unusual, except it was listed on the 7th day, after Hijiri and several ARS members had already gone 10 rounds in the AFD. Andrew D. had !voted in an earlier AFD of the article, but Dream Focus, Lightburst, and 7&6 have never edited that article, and it wasn't listed at ARS (until 7&6 listed it). The AFD was a subject of an ANI thread. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)". Dream Focus 19:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Cetacean needed, paying 14.50 an hour, good benefits CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓

Dream Focus, which parts of that statement are false? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe the ^{[dubious – discuss]} part? EEng 20:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Damn. Savage. Hype man (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

creffett (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)