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MrClog (talk) 19:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Need CU reauested status for SPI

Hey Toni, hope all is well. I would like to request that this investigation be renewed to "CU REQUESTED" since I requested a CU on Queenplz, compared to WorldCreaterFighter. As far as I'm aware that hasn't been done. This case (the one I filed) needs more attention. I gave pretty solid evidence Qiushufang was recruiting meatpuppets on Reddit, and it's gone 48 hours with no response.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang - Hunan201p (talk) 11:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another problem

Dear Toni, thanks a lot for re-listing the investigation on Qiushufang. I am sorry to report another problem. I keep opening an investigation for a suspected sockpuppet (Tobby72) of a notoruous sockmaster (WorldCreaterFighter), which keeps getting shut down. In my opinion, it is being shut down because someone mistakenly thinks that it was closed, when what actually happened was another investigation before it ws closed. See the message Amanda(DeltaQuad) left on my talk page:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p#Stop_restoring

There appears to be nothing in these links indicating the Tobby72 ingestigation was ever closed. Only one before it, for a suspected IP sock, was closed. But Tobby72 still needs investigating and closing. Tobby72 continues making malicious stealth edits that multiple people have complained about, such as his recent edits to Timur where he restores demonstratably falsified material:

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Timur&action=history

Plese help me get the Tobby72 investigation re-opened. I'm 95% sure it's WorldCreaterFighter and he's being allowed to screw up ethnic and history related articles. Sorry to trouble you. - Hunan201p (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) WP:OTHERPARENT?:) ——SN 54129 14:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hunan201p: First of all, you need to give me over an hour (or even a couple of hours) to respond. We all need sleep. Second, Tobby72 has 27,000 edits to Wikipedia over 11 years. That's almost 18 times the amount of edits you have made. I get you have been reporting WCF for a good while, but a single edit restoring a single point of view that someone has does not make them a sockpuppet. I've deleted your report because of the complete lack of evidence against a long term user. I'm not saying there aren't any other conduct issues, what I am saying is they are not a sockpuppet of WCF. Now please take the issue about their potentially disruptive edits to a more appropriate venue. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 17:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, since then, this has happened. It sounds like Hunan201p, but it's ran off a proxy. Thoughts? -- Amanda (aka DQ) 18:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's a certain irony to someone doing a bad-faith logged out edit to accuse a CU of being a sockpuppetry. creffett (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did not make those edits or create that investigation against SPI authorities. Someone is using mimicry to try to get me banned. - Hunan201p (talk) 16:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gilbert E. Patterson

Hey Tony! I stumbled upon this mess of an article which looks like it was barely ever sourced even from the start. It's a complete mess but I thought it might be up your ally if you had time. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, HickoryOughtShirt?4. I'm mainly familiar with Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox bishops, not Pentecostal ones, unfortunately. Sorry I can't be much help here. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protestantism sure has made things complicated. E Eng 01:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a more in-depth discussion on the nature of the episcopacy, I could give it to you but we'd both be asleep before it was over. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When I went to University, coming from a different religious school, I had no idea what Ash Wednesday was and almost told some kids they have some dust on their head. Learn something new everyday. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:12, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Let's Talk About Sects ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On this topic, there's a fairly big difference between the claims of Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox bishops and Pentecostal ones. The first three claim that their authority to teach and minister comes in a direct line from Jesus via the laying of hands of other bishops (see Apostolic Succession for more details if you're curious.) The first three claim a direct physical line of authority that if you had the resources and assuming there were no fires in the monasteries housing the documents you could trace back 1987 years. The farthest any modern historian has traced is ~1000 years back because once one document disappears all the ones preceeding it don't matter, but the idea is still very much there and alive in the documents from the First Millennium that the bishops of the East and the West were the actual successors to the apostles and that they very likely knew their lineages either via documentation or oral tradition. This concept is one of the central theological tenants of Catholicism, Anglicanism, and Orthodoxy and underlies the sacramental theology of Catholicism and Orthodoxy in particular.

Pentecostal bishops don't really claim this and they also have a much different sacramental system than the religious traditions I mentioned above. In this tradition, the title is sometimes literally just a title that someone gives himself or herself rather than a role in a larger denomination that requires the consent of other clerics or the lay faithful. There are Pentecostal bishops with roles beyond one specific physical church, but you don't know this solely based on the title. In this case, the individual did in fact have a larger role and probably is notable for Wikipedia purposes, but unlike bishops from other Christian traditions we do not assume notability since 1) the claims are different which means the religious tradition doesn't consider them to be as big a deal and 2) there's no assumption there would be any press about them since they aren't guaranteed to have a role that's larger than themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the lay faithful – Speaking of sects... E Eng 01:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Where is the best place to discuss whether there should be a new logo for Oversight? Interstellarity (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest it shouldn’t be because it’s busywork. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who couyld possibly have predicted that?

[1]. Am I allowed to know which LTA please? Guy (help!) 21:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My initial guess was Kumioko based on behavior and geolocation, but might not be him at closer look. There are a lot of LTAs in that vicinity... There’s a few other accounts likely, connected to this one, and I’ll dig later tonight. I had enough to block and the behavior is enough even if it isn’t Kumi, so I’m not particularly concerned enough to unblock until I get the exact name... TonyBallioni (talk) 21:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

JzG, the same person as AppliedCharisma (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), who it looks like you've interacted with in the past. Like I said above, Kumioko is a possibility for a few reasons, and some of the MO matches, but there are other differences so I'm not certain on that point anymore and I'll update the block reason. I don't think either account is the first though. There are a few other

Possible accounts, but none that myself or the other CU who looked at it are confident enough to block or report on right now. The data is messy because of the nature of the range, but we were able to link the two above fairly clearly. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TonyBallioni, weird how the crossover between political extremists, anti-medicine extremists and angry nutjobs generally is getting stronger. Isolation, I guess. Guy (help!) 08:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about the apparent move and subsequent deletion of the pages for Rain Man (DJ) and Kris Trindl

Hello. Forgive the length of my inquiry, as I'm relatively new to this type of request.

I was interested in reading about Rain Man (DJ) who is Kris Trindl on Wikipedia. However, the articles were deleted. As I looked into it, I couldn't find the reason that they were deleted.

Based on the tags I see on the deleted pages, it looks like there was a consensus to move the page Kris Trindl over to Rain Man (DJ). So the Rain Man (DJ) page was deleted with a G6 tag (non-controversial/make way for the move).

However, the Rain Man (DJ) page is no longer up, apparently due to problems with copyright.

I did, however, manage to find my way to the page Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 April 5, where I found the entry for Rain Man (DJ) listed on that page.

So far, I've been unable to locate any of the discussions.

My interest as an editor is to see if I can fix the article. To do this, I need access to the talk pages Talk:Rain Man (DJ) and Talk:Kris Trindl.

Per Wikipedia guidelines, contacting you is the first step in this process.

Regards,

Fantasticawesome (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Fantasticawesome. You'll want to talk to MER-C as he was the one who deleted it for copyright reasons. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A request

Tony, could you please indefinitely semi-protect my talk page. I'm out of Wikipedia, but having to return now and again to remove grave-dancers and trolls is beginning to become tiresome. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. If you become active again we can lift it. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear toni

Can you please tell me what is the criteria for becoming a beurocrats Maizbhandariya (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maizbhandariya to be a bureaucrat, you typically have to be an administrator for at least a 18 months or more. To be an administrator, the de facto current standard is 10,000 edits and a year of actively editing, but there's not official standard for either. Regardless, you need more experience before going for either. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks tonu Maizbhandariya (talk) 01:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And what will be the criteria for confirmed user Maizbhandariya (talk) 01:16, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Maizbhandariya, confirmed comes after being registered for 4 days and making 10 edits (technically that's "autoconfirmed," but it and confirmed essentially mean the same thing). Extended confirmed comes after being registered for 30 days and making 500 edits. creffett (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Maizbhandariya (talk) 01:22, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::On this topic, there's a fairly big difference between the claims of Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox bishops and Pentecostal ones. The first three claim that their authority to teach and minister comes in a direct line from Jesus via the laying of hands of other bishops (see [[Apostolic Succession]] for more details if you're curious.) The first three claim a direct ''physical'' line of authority that if you had the resources and assuming there were no fires in the monasteries housing the documents you could trace back 1987 years. The farthest any modern historian has traced is ~1000 years back because once one document disappears all the ones preceeding it don't matter, but the idea is still very much there and alive in the documents from the [[First Millennium]] that the bishops of the East and the West were the ''actual'' successors to the apostles and that they very likely knew their lineages either via documentation or oral tradition. This concept is one of the central theological tenants of Catholicism, Anglicanism, and Orthodoxy and underlies the sacramental theology of Catholicism and Orthodoxy in particular.{{pb}}Pentecostal bishops don't really claim this and they also have a much different sacramental system than the religious traditions I mentioned above. In this tradition, the title is sometimes literally just a title that someone gives himself or herself rather than a role in a larger denomination that requires the consent of other clerics or the lay faithful. There are Pentecostal bishops with roles beyond one specific physical church, but you don't know this solely based on the title. In this case, the individual {{em|did}} in fact have a larger role and probably is notable for Wikipedia purposes, but unlike bishops from other Christian traditions we do not assume notability since 1) the claims are different which means the religious tradition doesn't consider them to be as big a deal and 2) there's no assumption there would be any press about them since they aren't guaranteed to have a role that's larger than themselves. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni#top|talk]]) 01:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+::::::{{tq|the lay faithful}}{{snd}}Speaking of sects... [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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