User talk:Serial Number 54129

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Greenock Stowaways

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Greenock stowaways has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. A couple of things I noticed. In the Ill-treatment section it reads:

Kerr, hearing of this, declared that the boys would henceforth get "the ground of their stomachs before they get any more", (Sfn|Donald|1928|p=54) but the footnote says: Refn|”Specifically, Kerr swore, according to Roughead, that the first mate would "give the ground of their stomachs before they got any more".sfn|Roughead|2014|p=15}}|group=note

Of the two mentions – the one in the text cites Donald, one as a footnote cites Roughead. One says "get" one says "give". I'm not even sure what this quote means. The citations should be checked and corrected if necessary.

Also:

It's unclear how many boys had shoes. "the stowaways had no shoes between them" or "since some of the boys had no shoes" – is that "no" or "some" – needs clarifying

In the Arrivals section the quote box mentions some had, some didn’t have shoes.

Arrivals:

Mentions five stowaways were put off the ship, where are the other two?

Same section, then we have "Of the six boys, Reilly and Bryson were keen to leave…" Seven boarded in Greenock. This just needs clarification.

Best of luck with the GA review.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring my post

It was 2 minutes sooner than yours :-) It is nice to know that great minds were on the same track. HeeHee. MarnetteD|Talk 12:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Cheers MarnetteD, sorry about that  :) at least one of those minutes is testament to my steampowered PC! ——SerialNumber54129 12:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

No worries SN. If your PC is a big as this it must take up a whole room in your home :-) MarnetteD|Talk 12:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Seeing your mention of White Horse whiskey prompts me to leave you this pic for your enjoyment. JW has a whole line of GoT whiskeys in honor of their last season. Glug Glug. MarnetteD|Talk 12:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Brilliant! New slogan: "Stupor is coming" :) ——SerialNumber54129 12:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Superb!! MarnetteD|Talk 15:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Please discuss on the talk page

Please discuss your changes on the talk page of Waqar Zaka. There appears to be a question about some of the sources, which is of course a valid discussion to have. I have added 2 more sources and am seeking engagement on the talk page.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I've responded there. Your sourcing is/was poor enough, but the NPOV language—worse. ——SerialNumber54129 21:55, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't see any NPOV problems - the language that I used is in multiple reliable sources, and doesn't seem to be either praising or damning anything. It's just very plain factual language. Perhaps on the talk page you could explain what you find POV about it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

It has been explained to you, multiple times. ——SerialNumber54129 09:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Marc Bloch

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DYK for A Short English Chronicle

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DYK for Loveday, 1458

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Discussion

Can you review the sentence in the lede containing the word 'money'. Your original was:

although the Yorkists were bound to pay large sums in compensation, this was done by with money already owed the by the government.

Recently this was:

although the Yorkists were bound to pay large sums in compensation, this was done by with money already owed by the government.

I've just changed it to

although the Yorkists were bound to pay large sums in compensation, this was done with money already owed by the government.

But that reads very strangely. "owed by the government"? Should that be "owed to the government"?

Shenme (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Shenme: apologise for the delay getting back to you. I couldn't find an easy way to phrase that, in quite a few attempts, but the point was (is) that the Yorkists made the payments to the dead Lancastrians' families with money that was owed to them by the government already (unpaid wages were a fact of life for Henry VI's nobility!). If you can tweak and improve it, go ahead  :) ——SerialNumber54129 13:45, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah fun memories

Hello SN. The last bit of this post calls back to a memorable moment from Yes Minister. Jim Hacker writes "round objects" on a memo from Humphrey Appleby. Later in the episode Bernard Woolley tells Hacker that Appleby asked him "Who is this Round and what does he object to?" :-) My dusty old memory banks have forgotten which episode this happened in but it still is an all time funny - or is that punny - for me. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk

@MarnetteD: It was "Equal Opportunities"—rather apt considering current goings-on  :)

But yeah, that was exactly what I was alluding to, safe in the knowledge that not one in a 1000 here would have the faintest idea what I was talking about. Except—except—I forgot about your truly encyclopaedic knowledge of british TV. Absolutely effing incredible! ——SerialNumber54129 17:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Now you are making me blush! Great job on remembering the episode!! Cheers again. MarnetteD|Talk 18:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Away with the learning of clerks, away with it!

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Your GA nomination of William Bonville, 1st Baron Bonville

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Fram case comment

Would you please help me understand what you meant by, "It's a funny sort of RTV where the editor still talking to people on meta"? Did you mean to imply that was actually happening? If not, what did you mean? EllenCT (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Crusades

Hi SN, thanks for your comment on the FAR for this. One thing was it a Support—if so can you make it obvious for the co-ordinator please? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 22:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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• @Sir Menelik aka Scaramanga: I have no idea what you are talking about. The page has been deleted. Please do not recreate it. Many thanks. ——SerialNumber54129 12:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Crusades

Hi

Apologies for bolding your Sup on the FAR for this article. I thought that was your intention and didn't want for it to get missed in the large number of comments. If it was inappropriate at least I have learned something! Norfolkbigfish (talk) 13:34, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

For your information

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Deprecated hyphenated parameters

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I'm not sure what we've done to deserve this

I'm going to move your recent edit to the Fram PD talk to a new section, but I'd also like to invite you to air any grievances you might have against the clerks or the arbitrators here, on my talk page, or by email to me. I'm curious to hear what you think we should be doing differently. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 19:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure you should waste your time, SN. This got me nowhere - I was ignored in the end. The clerks seem to be almost as incompetent as the committee at the moment. - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@SN, can I direct you to my reply to FPAS here? On this one, at least, the arbs and clerks can't be blamed; given the nature of the case if they didn't follow the established procedure there would be people screaming for heads on poles, and much as I may think this "sectioned commentary" business is a Really Bad Idea it's the way things have been done for the past four years. ‑ Iridescent 21:35, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you for the article, and sorry that I missed the FAC with the introduduction "Gang of ruffians, hiding out in Sherwood Forest, duffing up royal officials, fair maids and boozy priests, history releases not their secrets. The Coterel Gang: A likely historical antecedent of the Robin Hood legend. AKA more fun and games from the early 14th-c. when the King wanted to go to Scotland but ended up in Derbyshire, and those who wanted to stay in Derbyshire went to Scotland."! - I'll open a peer review for Clara Schumann, today, the day her piano concerto graces the Main page ;) - ... her image graces even more. - I don't know what to respond to PMC who tells me a ban is a ban, the day I celebrate that my favourite editor told a freshly banned (OTD seven years ago) "go on with life, have a laugh". Along with the creed of the banned, it's in my edit notice, and premeditated to survive me. More on my talk, with the face and the smile. Now going to improve Anke Fuchs who died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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UKLG

Hey Serial Number. Since you left a brief comment there, I wonder if I could interest you in a prose review at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Ursula_K._Le_Guin/archive1. It's nice to have comments from folks who usually write about very different topics; it helps me find things that I missed. No pressure though. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Failed GA review

Hello, I have failed your GA nomination due to it being in need of major reorganization. Please see my comments on the nom page and feel free to resubmit. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:%C6%91/8_and_be_there/GA1 Taewangkorea (talk) 00:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Taewangkorea: I have no idea why that article particularly attracts the most inexperienced of editors. But thanks for your attempted input. ——SerialNumber54129 16:02, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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"More Germans seems like a good idea"

I was thinking of cracking a joke about AfD and AfD, but I concluded the latter is no laughing matter, particularly when the nearest German province to Auschwitz voted them in at the last election. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Wait...

...the wife, the cook, and her lover kill a canteloupe? You can't make this up. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

For a work in progress, you might've just hit on the DYK! ——SerialNumber54129 15:36, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting that. I have no clue what happened there. spryde | talk 12:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sp: No problem at all, clearly accidental, not worth maing a song and dance over. In the spirit of "it could've happened to anyone", I nearly blanked the entire lead of TFA earlier and only just caught myself! :o thanks for the message though! ——SerialNumber54129 12:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

For some truly oddball articles

		The Oddball Barnstar
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of numerous very fine articles true to the tradition of, um, well, the one which you seem to have started yourself. Long may it prosper. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: pray tell! Surely Mowbrays, Bonvilles etc not so oddball 😊 hope all's well! ——SerialNumber54129 11:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

But it is the others that stick in the mind. Good thanks. Trying, and failing, to get back into some content creation. (People keep distracting me by sending me reading matter, the bounders.) You? Gog the Mild (talk) 11:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Heh  :) ​ I was thinking, how about a co-nom on Battle of Pontvallain? It might ned a little tidying first, as I haven't looked at it for sometime, but it should be doable, and it's rather up your street isn't it? Or perhaps a little late than you prefer? Although I see that as I do, you enjoy a movable feast. The bonus, of course, is that we share results for half the work. What say ye? ——SerialNumber54129 15:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

A co-nom sounds good to me. It also has the attraction of allowing each of us to run a separate independent FAC at the same time. My last FAC was from 1355, so I am breaking out of the 1345-46 ghetto. Actually my next two FACs were going to be from 256 BC and 1945, just for a change. How would you like to approach it? I could give it "the works", then you could comment on all the things that you don't like about the result; or I am happy to use any other approach you prefer. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:55, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

GtM, I've never done it before. Well, a co-nom anyway :) how about you give it your treatment? I'm aware that perhaps even the layout, structure might be adjustable: let's have a look with what you come up with?

The Battle of Cape Ecnomus is a nice article. Well out of my comfort zone, fair play to you! ——SerialNumber54129 18:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Re co-nom: me neither, which means that I have no preconceptions/haven't a clue what I am doing. I will try to start tomorrow. Note that I usually take several runs at an article. So me going right through an article making changes is not necessarily an indication that I think I am finished.

Ecnomus - that was part of the idea. It was interestingly stretching to try and get it into a comprehensible article. Much the same applies to my getting sucked into the late-Medieval stuff. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:01, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Right. I have done some work on Pontvallain. It certainly seems FACable, and probably without too much further work - you have done a good job there. I have done a fair bit of copy editing, MoS-proofing and shuffling things around; now is the time to scream if you really don't like it. If you do, maybe you could:

1. Have a look at the query on the talk page.
2. Let me know if you are happy with the third paragraph of "Background". If you are I will see if I can find some references.
3. Have a read through and flag up anything you're not happy with or which needs further information or work.
4. There are five unused references. Do you want to see if you can find something in each of them to cite the revised text? (It would be nice to keep them.)

Gog the Mild (talk) 20:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Serial Number 54129, I'm sorry that you felt my comments on Ritchie's talk page were unhelpful. I feel it important to voice my own comments and opinions regarding Ritchie333's actions. I would ask that, in future, you ask me first before removing my talk page comments per the guidelines in WP:TPO. I hope that this does not cause conflict between us, as I do respect you as an editor. Thank you for your time and best wishes to you. Waggie (talk) 05:39, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

note

this also removed someone else's post (Ritchie's) - not sure that's what you intended. — Ched (talk) 07:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks Ched, have restored the post to its place. ——SerialNumber54129 07:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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In Use tag

Please respect the In Use tag and allow me to work through the sources. The article is far from finished. Gleeanon409 (talk) 17:27, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gleanon409:, with all due respect, the {{inuse}} tag does not override WP:OWN which is English Wikipedia policy and so as about as important as it gets. Please read that page if you have not been directed to it already. Furthermore, much of your additional material is, as I said in my edit-summary, unfortunately—but frankly—not wholly encyclopaedic in either content or tone. Such additions are not only not protected by the {{inuse}} tag but should, in fact, be summarily removed. Have a good weekend! ——SerialNumber54129 17:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Sock puppet investigation

Just so we're clear, I perfectly understand the purposes of SPI and I had plenty of reasons to be suspicious (most of which have already been outlined in great detail). But because of the my BLP violation and the length of it, certain administrators chose not to listen.

But that's neither hear nor there. While I stand by my statements in regard to the IP user, I have chosen to move forward and leave any actions in the hands of WilyD. The BLP matter itself has also been resolved, and I have no interest in dwelling on this any further. DarkKnight2149 18:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Darkknight2149#CVUA offer and User talk:Darkknight2149#Jasper Rine where the matter was handled. DarkKnight2149 18:15, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, it certainly sounds like the issues have indeed been resolved...until next time. One thing history teaches us (blah blah) is that those who do not learn from their mstakes are bound to repeat them. I hope it's not a truism. Have a good weekend! ——SerialNumber54129 18:17, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

To be fair, history already has repeated itself. The last time I was accused of casting aspersions was with Twitbookspacetube in February 2017, who frequently parroted and tag-teamed with other users while acting in bad faith. Do you know what happened? Nobody listened to me... And seven months later, he was banned from Wikipedia for all the things I warned everyone he was doing (and then some).

The reason I'm posting this is to clear up any residual doubt. I absolutely did violate BLP (inadvertently), but the "cast aspersions" claims are incorrect. One thing I have observed at WP:ANI is that it's a lot easier for (hypothetical) dishonest users to game the system when:

A) A hypothetical ANI thread is a drawn out, unorganised, and complex mess that's difficult to keep track of. That's actually why I insisted that people talk to me about BLP on my talk page instead of there.

B) When there's a sliver of truth in their claims. In this particular case, the sliver was that I violated BLP.

Either way, I have no more intention of harping on this. The past is the past, I just hope that I helped clear some of this up with you. Have a great weekend. DarkKnight2149 20:19, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• Uh-uh. Well, accusing editors of socking without evidence ("there is no credible allegation of WP:BADSOCK"), is an aspersion, which has been reiterated by the abitration committee on numerous occasions ("An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are repeated or severe", for ex). But it is the doubling-down that is less than reassuring. ——SerialNumber54129 16:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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Delayed reaction

Thanks for the laugh NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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@Serial Number 54129: - Thanks for pinging me. I will disable the bot until I can figure out what is going on. At initial glance, it stopped editing the json configuration to store message dates. I am assuming something changed with permissions/pywikibot. Kadane (talk) 04:39, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Kidane; see below, another one-! Like London buses: you wait ages for onen, then three turn up at the same time  :) ——SerialNumber54129 12:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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@Ivanvector: Thanks, replied there. But how does your block of that editor involve me, may I ask? Although I appreciate the notice in any case. Cheers! ——SerialNumber54129 07:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

You made the full protection request so I thought you might have more insight into the dispute, that's all. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 10:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hey Muboshgu, thanks very much for the message, and also apologise for my rudeness. You see, I've been working on medieval York (IRL) for the last few weeks now, so it's always the first thing I think of when I see "York". Talk about bizarro! I fel such an arse afterwards—population of 200K or 10 million, how easily confused are they! "D'oh" as they say. Anyway, no hard feelings? Hope you're keeping well! ——SN54129 16:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Double voting Support and Oppose in the EvergreenFir RfA? Trying to have your cake and eat it? ;-) Prob best to get rid of one of them, unless you want to triple up and pop in a quick Neutral vote too...? - SchroCat (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Ooh, I like the sound of that last option, the trifecta. Let's go with that. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Would you Adam and Eve it. Thanks, both. ——SN54129 14:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Don't take this too hard, I had too :P CodeLyoko^talk 17:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks - I have no idea how I reverted it in the first place! - SchroCat (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Richard B. Spencer

Hey friend, I just reverted you. Check out the rationale for my changes on the talk page. If you disagree, I won't edit war and we can just discuss my arguments for the changes. GergisBaki (talk) 09:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Regarding this comment, editors have in the past requested or started RFCs about the FAC coordination process. We continue to be sensitive to the possibility that some folks may feel that way, and respectfully open the door to such requests. --Laser brain (talk) 12:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Since this is apparently the Diffless Society, I'll join. 2012 or thereabouts seems to be about right; since then, processes affecting the wider project and internal tweaks of criteria. Cheers, Laser brain. FWIW, (some of) those questions you were asked at ACEXXIX were fucking outrageous. ——SN54129 12:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

John/Eleanor Rykener

Hi, hope all is well with you. There's a discussion on the talk page you may wish to add to. After all the hard work you put into the article and getting it to FA status, I'd hate for it to suffer because a relative newcomer wants to make it politically correct. Cheers, John. --John B123 (talk) 18:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Brutal

Serial Number 54129, You have been quite brutal at ANI. I hope I have a better experience with you in the future and look forward to working with you on the project. Have a great weekend and a great thanksgiving. Lightburst (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Blunt, rather than brutal. ——SN54129 16:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Xiao Zhan

Hello, please take a look at this article Xiao Zhan. I find some of the content to be WP:PROMO and WP:FANCRUFT, but not sure if I am right. 160.120.31.230 (talk) 08:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles like that are absolute troll magnets, certainly! Thanks for the heads up. ——SN54129 16:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 11

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (November 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 11th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here

Enterprisey's reply-link

Evad37's Thanky • SuperHamster's CiteUnseen • Mattflaschen's Compare link.js

Enterprisey: diff-context • fancy-diffs • offset-history-link

BrandonXLF: NoRedirect • WatchDoc • HotDefaultSort • TodoList

Twinkle has received multiple updates

Evad37's rater is now at version 2; see the announcement here

Open tasks

• For those who haven't noticed, per phabricator:T234576, using editToken instead of csrfToken no longer works

Miscellaneous

• Following a discussion, XFDcloser is now available as a gadget
• Evad37's extra.js collection of helper functions is now available as MediaWiki:Gadget-libExtraUtil.js
• Twinkle's morebits is now a gadget, and is easier to use in as a dependency in other scripts (see here for more)
• Last month's issue misidentified the creator of the new EditWarChecker script; it was created by Evad37

Pending requests

• A button to mark templates in the TfD holding cell as ready for deletion
• ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests

Enjoy your thanksgiving --DannyS712 (talk) 08:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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PKK terrorists

Calling PKK terrorists as freedom fighters is extremely offensive. Readding the template is not justified.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:56, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: stop edit warring over another editor's user page. You are not the arbitor of acceptability on Wikipedia. ——SN54129 19:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129, offensive material such as saying that you are a terrorist and calling the terror groups freedom fighters should be deleted.--SharabSalam (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

You've made your comment at the MfD, now stop edit-warring. ——SN54129

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November 2019

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on OpIndia; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 10:38, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

AN-notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 10:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Better late than never :D ——SN54129 10:44, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

November 2019

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. This, this and this edits are offensive. You are not using talk page when issue have been clearly mentioned. You are invited to discuss at WP:ANI. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 10:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Review your changes at OpIndia

In one edit you removed my so much good faith edits, here is my version and compare with latest one. You removed following things:

• Template of Indian English
• Portal's HQ, country, languages and chief editor
• Justification from the side of editor over accusation (WP:DUE)
• Current ownership of company (and restored ownership at time of 2018)

Just a humble request to revisit your changes with calm mind and by assuming good faith. You will see what you have reverted. Regards,-- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 11:09, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Your wish...

The Closer's Barnstar

...came true (maybe). I can't remember where I saw the discussion but I remember you being part of it. I threw together a little animation you can add to a customized wikilove message for whoever you want to recognize as a closer. The animation is set to repeat 3x - anything more might drive people nuts. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 04:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)