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:::Well, it's better. I've had to remove the first-drug-for-mental-illness statement again, because regardless of what one source might say -- perhaps you're misinterpreting it -- that's patently ridiculous. Amphetamines, cocaine, bromides, and other drugs were in use for 50 or more years prior for the treatment of, among other things, depression and "hysteria". '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC) |
:::Well, it's better. I've had to remove the first-drug-for-mental-illness statement again, because regardless of what one source might say -- perhaps you're misinterpreting it -- that's patently ridiculous. Amphetamines, cocaine, bromides, and other drugs were in use for 50 or more years prior for the treatment of, among other things, depression and "hysteria". '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC) |
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::::That claim is entirely gone now. It seemed to be a given, like in this [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655089/ source] which seems reliable: "Yet, until the 1950s there was no such scientific discipline as psychopharmacology and there was no effective drug therapy for mental illness. In 1952, chlorpromazine (CPZ) appeared on the psychiatric scene in Paris." I have no desire to argue for a first if it wasn't. The hook may need rewriting now, can you help or can you live with it as written? -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 19:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC) |
::::That claim is entirely gone now. It seemed to be a given, like in this [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655089/ source] which seems reliable: "Yet, until the 1950s there was no such scientific discipline as psychopharmacology and there was no effective drug therapy for mental illness. In 1952, chlorpromazine (CPZ) appeared on the psychiatric scene in Paris." I have no desire to argue for a first if it wasn't. The hook may need rewriting now, can you help or can you live with it as written? -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 19:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, ''effective'' may be the key word there. Anyway, to avoid the quibbling that I'm sure would come from others I think it's best left out. The hook as stated is fine, and absolutely true, though I'd state it as |
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Henri Laborit
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Laborit in 1991 (detail of photo by Erling Mandelmann)
- ... that in the 1950s Henri Laborit (pictured) discovered the effects of chlorpromazine, which transformed asylums and the treatment of mental illness?
- Reviewed: Smith Canal, Blue's Clues
- Comment: May need an experienced review. Offered in hope because what Laborit did is so important. This is not eligible under a strict reading of the rules. However, I just discovered today that 5 days ago, almost the whole article was a copyvio. At least now it's not. Thanks.
- Well it is eligible! The rules say that copyvios are the only exception to the fivefold rule. I could not find a rule that governs copyvios. -SusanLesch (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Created/expanded by SusanLesch (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 14 September 2016 (UTC).
- Article needs a good deal of toning down in terms of everything being successful, pioneering, etc. EEng 06:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- EEng I appreciate your comment and your edit. An explanatory sentence has been added to the lead that I trust will tone this down. Thankfully it is citable.
- It is absolutely true that Wikipedia is not the place to make claims about being first at anything! I'm not quite sure what to do about the facts of the matter though, in relation to the history of chlorpromazine and GHB. Wikipedia's articles both credit Laborit as the first researcher. Also I hope that him being at war with Sainte-Anne's and dying a bitter man will help to show that the field was a minefield. Do you have any suggestions, or do you think that our changes brought his story back to neutrality? -SusanLesch (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it's better. I've had to remove the first-drug-for-mental-illness statement again, because regardless of what one source might say -- perhaps you're misinterpreting it -- that's patently ridiculous. Amphetamines, cocaine, bromides, and other drugs were in use for 50 or more years prior for the treatment of, among other things, depression and "hysteria". EEng 18:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- That claim is entirely gone now. It seemed to be a given, like in this source which seems reliable: "Yet, until the 1950s there was no such scientific discipline as psychopharmacology and there was no effective drug therapy for mental illness. In 1952, chlorpromazine (CPZ) appeared on the psychiatric scene in Paris." I have no desire to argue for a first if it wasn't. The hook may need rewriting now, can you help or can you live with it as written? -SusanLesch (talk) 19:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, effective may be the key word there. Anyway, to avoid the quibbling that I'm sure would come from others I think it's best left out. The hook as stated is fine, and absolutely true, though I'd state it as
- ALT1 ... that in the 1950s Henri Laborit (pictured) discovered the effects of chlorpromazine, which emptied asylums and transformed the treatment of mental illness?
- EEng 21:01, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, effective may be the key word there. Anyway, to avoid the quibbling that I'm sure would come from others I think it's best left out. The hook as stated is fine, and absolutely true, though I'd state it as
- That claim is entirely gone now. It seemed to be a given, like in this source which seems reliable: "Yet, until the 1950s there was no such scientific discipline as psychopharmacology and there was no effective drug therapy for mental illness. In 1952, chlorpromazine (CPZ) appeared on the psychiatric scene in Paris." I have no desire to argue for a first if it wasn't. The hook may need rewriting now, can you help or can you live with it as written? -SusanLesch (talk) 19:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it's better. I've had to remove the first-drug-for-mental-illness statement again, because regardless of what one source might say -- perhaps you're misinterpreting it -- that's patently ridiculous. Amphetamines, cocaine, bromides, and other drugs were in use for 50 or more years prior for the treatment of, among other things, depression and "hysteria". EEng 18:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)